Undergrad Virtuals particles, vacuum and infinite energy

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This discussion centers on the nature of virtual particles and their implications for vacuum energy and matter. It establishes that virtual particles can appear in a vacuum but do not remain as real particles, thus questioning the concept of infinite matter. The Casimir effect is highlighted as a real phenomenon that demonstrates measurable forces between metallic plates due to quantum vacuum fluctuations, indicating that while vacuum energy can be observed, it does not equate to the existence of infinite matter.

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Hi guys I have a question for you. Virtual particles can appear anywhere and when they have enough energy they turn into real. And if it happens long enough in a vacuum, will it remain a vacuum? If not, then is matter infinite?
 
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Donut said:
Hi guys I have a question for you. Virtual particles can appear anywhere and when they have enough energy they turn into real.
No, they don't
Donut said:
And if it happens long enough in a vacuum, will it remain a vacuum?
Since it doesn't happen that question makes no sense
Donut said:
If not, then is matter infinite?
If the universe is infinite, then matter is infinite, but not having anything to do with virtual particles

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/misconceptions-virtual-particles/
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/physics-virtual-particles/
 
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Donut said:
Virtual particles can appear anywhere and when they have enough energy they turn into real.
Please post reference links when making assertions like this at PF. Please make sure that the references are to credible scientific articles and not "Pop-Sci" articles. Thanks.
 
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phinds said:
No, they don't

In the Casimir effect, a force is actually measured between the two metallic plates. This was physically interpreted based on quantum vacuum fluctuations. By removing wavelength beyond a threshold the virtual particles allowed energy is constrained between the plates. Thus the observed pressure in the Casimir effect, would come from a lower vacuum energy density between the plates than outside.

Now the question is the following: if the Casimir force is real, then it could generate some work at maximum dW=F*dl (l is the distance between plates). So, can you elaborate on the fact that vacuum energy cannot be real.
 
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The Insights article links in post #5 are a sufficient response. Thread closed.
 
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