Viscosity of Air: What Makes Calm Possible on Earth?

  • Thread starter Thread starter limarodessa
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Air Viscosity
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the phenomenon of calm air on the surface of the Earth, particularly in relation to the Earth's rotation and the motion of air molecules. Participants explore the concepts of molecular movement, net air movement, and the perception of wind in different contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that "calm" air means there is no net movement of air molecules, with equal numbers moving in opposite directions, leading to a cancellation of movement.
  • Others argue that while there is no net movement, air molecules are in constant motion relative to each other and the Earth's surface, described by Maxwell distributions influenced by temperature and molecular mass.
  • A participant questions why, despite the Earth's rotation, we do not feel air movement in the same way as when traveling in an open car, suggesting a need for clarification on relative motion.
  • Another participant responds by noting that when the car windows are closed, the air inside moves with the car, similar to how the atmosphere moves with the Earth, implying that the atmosphere is stationary relative to the Earth's surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of air movement and calmness, particularly regarding the effects of the Earth's rotation and the perception of wind. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the influence of temperature and molecular mass on air movement but do not fully resolve the implications of these factors on the perception of calm air versus wind.

limarodessa
Messages
51
Reaction score
0
Hello all !

Why on a surface of the Earth the calm is possible? The Earth rotates about (аround) the axis. Why air molecules are motionless concerning the Earth?
 
Last edited:
Earth sciences news on Phys.org
limarodessa said:
Hello all !

Why on a surface of the Earth the calm is possible? The Earth rotates about (аround) the axis. Why air molecules are motionless concerning the Earth?

Whether or not a parcel of the atmosphere is "calm" depends upon the sensitivity of your sensing instruments. If your instruments show no NET movement of air, then we say the air is calm.

All that "calm" means is that the number of molecules moving in anyone direction is essentially the same as the number moving in the exact opposite direction, and that their mean speeds in each of those two directions are the same.

Hence, no net movement does not mean no molecular movement. It just means that all direction movements and speeds cancel out.

The molecules of the air are in continual movement, both relative to one another and relative to the surface of the Earth. The various distributions of molecular velocities are Maxwell distributions. The mean of and single distribution depends upon molecular masses and the air temperature.

For dry air at a temperature of 25°C, the mean molecular speed will be some 468 meters per second along the molecules' true paths.
 
klimatos said:
All that "calm" means is that the number of molecules moving in anyone direction is essentially the same as the number moving in the exact opposite direction, and that their mean speeds in each of those two directions are the same.

Hence, no net movement does not mean no molecular movement. It just means that all direction movements and speeds cancel out.

But when we go by the open car (cabriolet) we feel a motion of molecules of air - a wind to the face

Why it is not so when Earth rotates ? :confused:
 
But if you close the car window the air in the car moves along with you, just as the atmopshere moves along with the Earth. There is nothing opposing the atmosphere's motion with the Earth, so it moves with it and relative to it is stationary - except, of course, for all the thermal activity that generates wind.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
7K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
6K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
3K
Replies
8
Views
4K
  • · Replies 81 ·
3
Replies
81
Views
19K
Replies
12
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K