Visualizing field lines with moving current

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating and visualizing electric field lines between two circles filled with positive and negative charges, particularly when connected by a resistor. Participants explore the implications of current flow and the effects of the resistor on the electric field configuration, considering both static and dynamic scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the centers of the circles to calculate field lines, assuming uniform charge distribution.
  • Others argue that the approach is valid only for spheres and suggest using modified electrodynamics for two-dimensional cases.
  • One participant questions how to visualize the electric field lines outside the resistor when current is passing, noting the potential magnetic component.
  • Another participant explains that the field strength varies depending on the resistor's characteristics, suggesting that a long wire resistor would alter the field distribution.
  • One participant expresses a desire to tackle the problem independently and seeks recommendations for starting a simulation program to visualize the fields.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the potential first and using symmetry to simplify the simulation process, indicating that a 2D approach could reduce computational demands.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the methods for calculating electric fields and visualizing field lines. While some points are clarified, multiple competing views on the approach to the problem remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about charge distribution, the dependence on the resistor's characteristics, and the complexity of finding analytical solutions for the electric field in this configuration.

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Let's say I have a circle filled with positive charges. Some distance away I have an identical circle filled with negative charges. Since the distribution is uniform in the circles, I can just use the center of the circles as points and calculate the field lines between the two. So far so good. Now let's say I connect the first circle to the second by a resistor. If the sum of the charges are so large that it is essentially unchanged for some length of time (as in I have constant charges and constant current), how can I calculate the electric field?
 
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Let's say I have a circle filled with positive charges. Some distance away I have an identical circle filled with negative charges. Since the distribution is uniform in the circles, I can just use the center of the circles as points and calculate the field lines between the two.
No, this just works with spheres (unless you take a modified electrodynamics in a two-dimensional world).

Now let's say I connect the first circle to the second by a resistor. If the sum of the charges are so large that it is essentially unchanged for some length of time (as in I have constant charges and constant current), how can I calculate the electric field?
Calculate the field along the connection with usual rules for circuits (constant current in the wire). Use some simulation tool for the electric field, as you probably do not find an analytic solution (except for special resistor profiles where the field is unchanged).
 
mfb said:
No, this just works with spheres (unless you take a modified electrodynamics in a two-dimensional world).

I was thinking of spheres, yes, but I was trying to just use a 2D example.


mfb said:
Calculate the field along the connection with usual rules for circuits (constant current in the wire). Use some simulation tool for the electric field, as you probably do not find an analytic solution (except for special resistor profiles where the field is unchanged).

This was my question. I'm wondering how the field lines look visually outside the resistor by allowing current to pass. I realize there will also be a magnetic component. Will the lines straighten or become more arched?
 
It depends on the resistor. Without the connection, the field strength is larger close to the spheres and smaller in the middle. If the resistor is a long wire with the same resistance per distance everywhere, you modify this - the field strength close to the spheres gets reduced, the field strength in the middle (and close to the resistor) increases a bit. This should make the field lines close to the resistor a bit "more parallel".
 
OK, that makes sense. I'd like to try to do this problem on my own. Any recommendations on how to start this program? I've plotted the static field lines and I need to superimpose the field due to the resistor?
 
I've plotted the static field lines and I need to superimpose the field due to the resistor?
That won't work.

You can calculate it with a grid, for example, and I would solve for the potential first:
\phi(x)=0 for sphere 1, \phi(x)=1 for sphere 2, \Delta \phi = 0 in free space, and \phi(x)=f(x) with some function f(x) at the resistor. Instead of a 3-dimensional simulation, it is possible to use the symmetry of the problem (if the connection is symmetric) in a 2-dimensional simulation to reduce the required computing power.
 

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