Voltage across a capacitor can't change abruptly because

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of voltage changes across a capacitor and the implications of such changes, particularly focusing on the idea that voltage cannot change abruptly without resulting in infinite current. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved and the physical principles governing capacitors in electrical circuits.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why an infinite current would be required for an instantaneous voltage change across a capacitor and requests mathematical clarification.
  • Another participant presents the relationship i_{c}(t)=C\frac{dv_{c}(t)}{dt} and hints at the involvement of limits in understanding instantaneous changes.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of taking limits as time approaches zero and how this relates to the concept of infinite current.
  • There is a suggestion that instantaneous voltage changes could theoretically occur in specific contexts, such as with Single Electron Transport devices.
  • One participant argues that an instantaneous voltage change implies an infinite rate of change (dV/dt), leading to the conclusion that infinite current would be necessary.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of energy associated with a capacitor, stating that an instantaneous voltage change would require infinite power, which is not feasible in practical scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the relationship between voltage changes, current, and the mathematical limits involved. There is no consensus on the necessity of infinite current for instantaneous voltage changes, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference mathematical limits and the physical implications of instantaneous changes, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions or definitions regarding voltage, current, and energy in capacitors.

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current would need to be infinite for this. Why is this. Can anyone show the maths behind this? Cheers!

*EDIT* ok i just did some maths on a basic RC circuit. If t approaches zero then the current simply approaches -(Vi/R).. which isn't infinite. This is why i can't grasp this. I would love to see the theory behind why this is. TY
 
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i_{c}(t)=C\frac{dv_{c}(t)}{dt}

The rest is left as an exercise to the reader ;-)

HINT: a limit is involved.

Voltage can change instantaneously in a capacitor... But only if single charges are being applied to the plates (Single Electron Transport devices)--this is near the cutting edge of research.
 
Yeah limit t ---> 0 and I -----> infinity yah? however dv/dt = lim change in t --> 0 [change in V / change in t] so if we are already limiting change in t towards zero then how can we do this doubly so?
 
Andrew123 said:
Yeah limit t ---> 0 and I -----> infinity yah? however dv/dt = lim change in t --> 0 [change in V / change in t] so if we are already limiting change in t towards zero then how can we do this doubly so?

I don't understand what you mean by:
dv/dt = lim change in t --> 0

Take the limit as dv/dt goes to infinity (instantaneous voltage change).
 
but what sends dv/dt to infinity?
 
Andrew123 said:
but what sends dv/dt to infinity?

That's the definition of an instantaneous voltage change (finite change in voltage in 0 time). You might have rising or falling voltage (say, 0 to 5 V or 5 V to 0V), but really, the idea is the same (infinite current).
 
Sorry but still why does the current need to be infinite?
 
If you want the the voltage to change instantaneously, that means you want dV/dt to be as large as possible, approaching infinity, right? Remember that changing instantaneously means that on the V/t graph you want to have a vertical line at one point and not a smooth continuous one. Now, what is the gradient of a line which is very nearly vertical? What happens if it is vertical? Now what does dV/dt equal to?
 
Andrew123 said:
Sorry but still why does the current need to be infinite?

If \frac{dv}{dt} goes to infinity so must C (a constant) times this number. Since this quantity happens to be the current...
 
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A capacitor with charge has energy. W = C*(V^2)/2. A change in voltage requires a change in energy which requires that work be done. If voltage changes instantly, then dw/dt = power is infinite. A source of infinite power does not exist (well, actually it does, but we are discussing science in the real world, and not theology).

Infinite power would result in infinite current for an instant as p = v*i.
 

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