Water evaporation by negative pressure and 0% of RH

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the evaporation of water under different conditions, specifically focusing on the effects of temperature, relative humidity (RH), and air pressure. Participants explore various methods for quantifying evaporation rates in experimental setups.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes three methods for evaporating water: heating at 100°C with normal air pressure and RH, using 0% RH at 23°C and normal air pressure, and applying -15 psi air pressure at 23°C with normal RH.
  • Another participant inquires about the total air flow in the experimental setups, suggesting that air should be refreshed from outside.
  • A participant proposes a rough model for estimating evaporation rates based on vapor pressure, partial pressure of water in the air, and surface area, noting that flow rate is also a factor.
  • The same participant emphasizes that the first case (100°C) may differ significantly due to proximity to boiling, which can enhance evaporation through bubble formation.
  • Another participant expresses the complexity of the topic and indicates a desire to continue studying it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on a specific equation or model for quantifying evaporation rates, and multiple views on the factors affecting evaporation remain present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of defined assumptions regarding air flow rates and the dependence on specific conditions such as temperature and pressure. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in modeling evaporation accurately.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying thermodynamics, fluid dynamics, or experimental physics, particularly in relation to evaporation processes.

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Greetings!

I'm trying to evaporate water in some samples. I'm trying 3 methods.
  1. Baking samples with 100°C, normal air pressure, and normal RH.
  2. Put the samples in 0% RH, 23°C, and normal air pressure.
  3. Put the samples in container of -15 psi air pressure, 23°C, and normal RH.
The total amounts of water evaporation from each tests are different.
Is there any equation to quantify how much water evaporate in each condition?
I'm looking for an answer like:

[70°C, 14.7 psi, 30% RH] = [23°C, 14.7 psi, 0% RH] = [23°C, -15psi, 30% RH].

I hope this is a just simple question :)

Thank you
 
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What's the total air flow?
 
Bystander said:
What's the total air flow?
The air of each container should be refreshed by air from outside. However, I don't know the flow rate. Could you suppose each container has the same air flow?
 
Depends on how accurate a model you need. For a very rough model, maybe this will be enough:
Look up the vapor pressure of water versus temperature.
Calculate the partial pressure of water in the air.
(surface area) * ((Vapor pressure) - (partial pressure)) should be approximately proportional to the evaporation rate. Of course, flow rate matters too, but you'll be getting into complicated models. Actively heating the water will speed up the evaporation, since it takes energy to evaporate.

Case 1 will be different, since you are very close to boiling, which is faster than evaporation, since bubbles can form, greatly increasing the effective surface area.
 
Khashishi said:
Depends on how accurate a model you need. For a very rough model, maybe this will be enough:
Look up the vapor pressure of water versus temperature.
Calculate the partial pressure of water in the air.
(surface area) * ((Vapor pressure) - (partial pressure)) should be approximately proportional to the evaporation rate. Of course, flow rate matters too, but you'll be getting into complicated models. Actively heating the water will speed up the evaporation, since it takes energy to evaporate.

Case 1 will be different, since you are very close to boiling, which is faster than evaporation, since bubbles can form, greatly increasing the effective surface area.
Wow this is tough. I'll keep studying about it.
Thank you very much.
 

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