Water, piston-cylinder problem [Thermodynamics]

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The problem involves 10 kg of water in a piston-cylinder setup at 100 kPa with a quality of 50%, which is then heated until the volume triples. The pressure increases to 200 kPa, leading to a query about the final temperature and heat transfer during the process. The calculations indicate that the final temperature could be around 827 to 829 degrees Celsius, suggesting the water may be in a superheated state. There is confusion regarding the use of the ideal gas law for this scenario, as it typically applies to ideal gases rather than non-ideal conditions like those of water. To resolve this, it is recommended to calculate the reduced pressure and temperature and refer to the Z factor chart for accurate results.
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Okay, so these are usually pretty easy for me to understand, but this one doesn't make sense.

10 kg of water in a piston cylinder arrangement exists as saturated liquid/vapor at 100 kPa, with a quality of 50%. It is now heated so the volume triples. The mass of the piston is such that a cylinder pressure of 200 kPa will float it. Find the final temperature and the heat transfer in the process.

Homework Equations


v = V/m
v - specific volume
V - volume
m - mass

y = yf +xyfg

The Attempt at a Solution



State 1:[/B]
m1 = m2 = m = 10kg
x1 = .5 ---> 2-phase mixture
P1 = 100 kPa = 1 bar
v1 = .0010432 m3/kg + (.5)(1.694 - .0010432)
v1 = .8475 m3/kg

State 2:
v2 = 3*v1 = 2.5425 m3/kg
P2 = 200 kPa --> pressure is constant from this point on

Solutions I have found online say that the final temp is in the 800's. How is that possible? I went into my steam tables (Fundamentals of Engineering Thermodynamics, Moran) and I couldn't figure out the state. I assume it is a superheated vapour. Is this right? If so, I go to the tables and the temp could probably be interpolated between 1.5 bar and 3 bar, but even then it's not close to 800. I believe the answer is 827 or 829 degrees C. Thanks for any help.
 
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What temperature does the ideal gas law give you? (This is a pretty low pressure).
 
Thank you! I've always been under the assumption to never use ideal gas for non ideal gases though? This is a first for me. Is there a way to know? Thanks again
 
leafjerky said:
Thank you! I've always been under the assumption to never use ideal gas for non ideal gases though? This is a first for me. Is there a way to know? Thanks again
Calculate the reduced pressure and the reduced temperature. Then, see the chart in Moran et al for the Z factor. Or better yet, calculate the pseudo-reduced volume and the reduced pressure and use the Z chart in Moran.

Chet
 

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