Wave Function of a Proton in a Box with a Slide

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the wave function of a proton confined in a three-dimensional box with a slide inserted along its length. Participants explore the implications of this setup on the wave function and probability distributions, considering both the initial state and the effects of the slide on the system over time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a box with dimensions and a proton inside, suggesting that the probability of finding the proton on one side of the box is 0.5 when a slide is placed halfway along the length.
  • Another participant presents the ground state wave function for a particle in a 3D rigid box and discusses the probability distribution for the proton's position.
  • There is a proposal to calculate the probability in the left half of the box and how it relates to the overall probability when the box is divided by the slide.
  • Some participants engage in correcting and refining the expressions for the probability distributions in both halves of the box after the slide is inserted.
  • A later reply suggests that the wave function should be reconsidered in the context of a delta function potential to simplify the problem to a one-dimensional case.
  • Another participant notes that the insertion of the slide changes the potential over time, which could impart energy to the proton, making the eigenvalues time-dependent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the slide's insertion and the resulting wave function. There is no consensus on the exact form of the wave function or the probabilities in the modified system, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem, including the need to consider time-dependent potentials and the potential simplification to a one-dimensional model. Some assumptions about the system's behavior and the nature of the wave function remain unaddressed.

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Let's say that there's a box of height, h, length, l, and width, w, and within the box there's a proton. Thus it's certain that the proton would be inside the box.

A slide is then put halfway along the length of the box. Thus the proability that the proton is in one side of the box is 0.5.

What would the wave function of these two systems be and how would they change with time? Furthermore say the slide is put xl along the length of the box where x is greater than 0 but smaller than 1 what would the wave function of that system be?

If possible could references to useful paper please be given.
 
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Let's consider the ground state.
The wave function in the given 3D rigid box
$$\Psi_{1,1,1} (x,y,z) = \sqrt{\frac{8}{V}} sin\left ( \frac{\pi x}{l} \right )sin\left ( \frac{\pi y}{w} \right )sin\left ( \frac{\pi z}{h} \right )$$
Probability to find the particle at (x,y,z)
$$P_{1,1,1}(x,y,z)=|\Psi (x,y,z)|^2=\frac{8}{V}sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi x}{l} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi y}{w} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi z}{h} \right )$$
And then, the box is divided.
$$P_{1,1,1}(0\leq x\leq l,y,z)=0.5P_{1,1,1}(0\leq x\leq l/2,y,z) + 0.5P_{1,1,1}(l/2\leq x\leq l,y,z)$$
The probability in the left half-box
$$P_{1,1,1}(0\leq x\leq l/2,y,z)=\frac{16}{V}sin^2\left ( \frac{2\pi x}{l} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi y}{w} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi z}{h} \right )$$
where V = lwh
What is the probability in the right half-box?
 
Irene Kaminkowa said:
Let's consider the ground state.
The wave function in the given 3D rigid box
$$\Psi_{1,1,1} (x,y,z) = \sqrt{\frac{8}{V}} sin\left ( \frac{\pi x}{l} \right )sin\left ( \frac{\pi y}{w} \right )sin\left ( \frac{\pi z}{h} \right )$$
Probability to find the particle at (x,y,z)
$$P_{1,1,1}(x,y,z)=|\Psi (x,y,z)|^2=\frac{8}{V}sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi x}{l} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi y}{w} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi z}{h} \right )$$
And then, the box is divided.
$$P_{1,1,1}(0\leq x\leq l,y,z)=0.5P_{1,1,1}(0\leq x\leq l/2,y,z) + 0.5P_{1,1,1}(l/2\leq x\leq l,y,z)$$
The probability in the left half-box
$$P_{1,1,1}(0\leq x\leq l/2,y,z)=\frac{16}{V}sin^2\left ( \frac{2\pi x}{l} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi y}{w} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi z}{h} \right )$$
where V = lwh
What is the probability in the right half-box?
It is the value you gave last subtracted from 1 I believe
 
Not quite
$$P_{1,1,1}(l/2\leq x\leq l,y,z)=\frac{16}{V}sin^2\left ( \frac{2\pi (x-l/2)}{l} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi y}{w} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi z}{h} \right )=\frac{16}{V}sin^2\left ( \frac{2\pi x}{l} -\pi\right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi y}{w} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi z}{h} \right )=\frac{16}{V}sin^2\left ( \frac{2\pi x}{l}\right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi y}{w} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi z}{h} \right )$$
 
Irene Kaminkowa said:
Not quite
$$P_{1,1,1}(l/2\leq x\leq l,y,z)=\frac{16}{V}sin^2\left ( \frac{2\pi (x-l/2)}{l} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi y}{w} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi z}{h} \right )=\frac{16}{V}sin^2\left ( \frac{2\pi x}{l} -\pi\right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi y}{w} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi z}{h} \right )=\frac{16}{V}sin^2\left ( \frac{2\pi x}{l}\right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi y}{w} \right )sin^2\left ( \frac{\pi z}{h} \right )$$
Thank you for your help; however what would the wave function of the box be where the slide is at xl along the box?
 
To solve this problem, we are to find the probabilities P1 for 0<=x<=L and P2 for L<=x<=1, where 0<=L<=1 is the slider's position.
The result probability is the sum of P1 and P2 with appropriate weights.
 
Einstein's Cat said:
A slide is then put halfway along the length of the box. Thus the proability that the proton is in one side of the box is 0.5.
The box is represented is a potential constraining the proton. As the slide is inserted the potential changes with time. This will cause energy to be imparted to the particle since the eigenvalues become time dependent.
 
Paul Colby said:
The box is represented is a potential constraining the proton. As the slide is inserted the potential changes with time. This will cause energy to be imparted to the particle since the eigenvalues become time dependent.

Yep - although in the context of a B-level thread I'd expect that OP would be best off starting with the time-independent solution: what is the wave function of a particle in a box (idealized infinite potential well) with a barrier (idealized delta function potential) in the middle. One more simplification to make it a one-dimensional problem and we'd have a standard first-year exercise.
 

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