Weber & Flux Density: Learn How 1 Wb = 10^8 Lines of Magnetic Flux

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of magnetic flux density, specifically the relationship between webers and lines of magnetic flux. Participants explore the implications of visualizing magnetic fields through field lines and the nature of magnetic fields in space.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether 1 Wb truly represents an exact number of magnetic flux lines, suggesting that webers may be a relative concept rather than a fixed quantity.
  • Another participant asserts that field lines are merely a visualization tool and do not represent physical entities.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of magnetic flux density if field lines are not real, leading to questions about how electromagnetic induction occurs in relation to these lines.
  • A participant explains that magnetic fields act at all points in space and that field lines can be thought of as infinitely dense, although only a fraction are depicted in diagrams for clarity.
  • It is suggested that the concept of field lines remains valid, but the number of lines in a diagram is arbitrary, with the magnetic field being smooth rather than discrete.
  • Another participant emphasizes the definition of magnetic field B in relation to the Lorentz force equation and discusses the relationship between crowded field lines and higher flux density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and representation of magnetic flux lines, with some asserting their usefulness as a visualization tool while others question their physical reality. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact interpretation of webers and lines of flux.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of using field lines as a representation of magnetic fields, noting that the concept may not accurately convey the continuous nature of magnetic fields. There is also uncertainty regarding the implications of flux density and its relationship to physical phenomena.

Glenn G
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Hi,
Eqn B = phi/A

For flux density so 1T = 1Wb/m^2

Often wondered about a Weber and found on a site that 1 Wb is 1 x 10^8 lines of magnetic flux! Does this sound right that an exact amount of flux lines represents 1weber? I always thought that the concept of webers was a relative idea and not representing a physical amount of field lines?
 
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Field lines are just a cartoon for picturing the magnetic field. They aren't real things.
 
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Does this mean that a magnetic field acts at all points in space around a magnet? How then to interpret magnet flux density if it's not amount of flux per m^2. Also difficult then to think about em induction occurring when cutting across line but not when moving parallel to field lines? How can we think of this if there are no 'lines' as such?
 
Glenn G said:
Does this mean that a magnetic field acts at all points in space around a magnet?
Yes. There are no "gaps" between field lines. You can think of the lines as infinitely dense, passing through every point in space, but only a small fraction are shown in any diagram for clarity. The lines are just a way to visualize a vector field.
Glenn G said:
How then to interpret magnet flux density if it's not amount of flux per m^2.
It's the perpendicular part of the magnetic field going through a differential element of surface.
Glenn G said:
Also difficult then to think about em induction occurring when cutting across line but not when moving parallel to field lines? How can we think of this if there are no 'lines' as such?
There is a vector at each point in space. Cutting across a line means the same thing as moving in a direction not parallel to a vector.

There's nothing wrong with the concept of field lines. It's just that the number of field lines in a picture is arbitrary, and the magnetic field itself is smooth and not bunched into discrete threads.
 
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Glenn G said:
Does this mean that a magnetic field acts at all points in space around a magnet? How then to interpret magnet flux density if it's not amount of flux per m^2. Also difficult then to think about em induction occurring when cutting across line but not when moving parallel to field lines? How can we think of this if there are no 'lines' as such?
As khashishi said, the lines are just a cartoon. In electrostatics, you may find stuff like 4π lines of flux. How can the number of lines be 12.56?

You can think in terms magnetic field B (also called as 'magnetic flux density'). If I am not wrong, the basic definition of magnetic field B comes from the Lorentz force equation F=qvB. The surface integral of B is the magnetic flux linking with that surface.

If you want to think in terms of flux lines, crowded lines means more flux density
(which means higher magnetic field).
The lines are just a pictorial representation of the field.
 
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Thanks that really helps. I like the idea of treating it as a vector at a point.
 

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