Were the "Dark Ages" really dark?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the characterization of the "Dark Ages" in cosmology, specifically questioning whether this term is appropriate given the conditions of the universe during that time. Participants explore the implications of cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation and its temperature changes from the end of recombination until the formation of the first stars.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the term "Dark Ages" may be misleading since the universe was initially filled with hot CMB radiation, which would have emitted light in the visible spectrum.
  • Others argue that the naming is due to the lack of observable starlight and the difficulty in detecting anything during that epoch, as the CMB acts as a background with no significant foreground objects to observe.
  • A participant provides a formula for the temperature of the CMB as it relates to redshift, indicating that the temperature decreases over time.
  • Another participant confirms that while the universe was initially glowing with yellow-reddish light, the formation of the first stars occurred much later, leading to a significant drop in temperature and a transition to infrared, resulting in a "pitch black" appearance for human vision.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the term "Dark Ages," with some suggesting it is misleading due to the presence of CMB radiation while others emphasize the lack of starlight as the reason for the term. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the CMB's temperature on the characterization of this epoch.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the timing of temperature changes and the definitions of "darkness" in the context of cosmic observations. The exact transition points for the CMB's peak wavelength and the implications for visibility are not fully resolved.

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The period from the end of recombination until the birth of the first stars is commonly referred to as "the Dark Ages" since no starlight existed yet.

But the cosmic bath of photons at that time which today we call the CMB was still hot, not yet having redshifted. It is usually said that temperature at the end of recombination (CMB) was around 3000 K, which would mean that the universe would have been glowing bright yellow, and as it expanded further the bright yellow would gradually become more orange, then redder and gradually fainter until it finally went into the infrared and therefore truly dark.

If so, the Dark Ages may be an inappropriate name, at least for the initial period?

By which age would the cosmic radiation have transitioned from red into the infrared so the skies would really look dark?

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During the Dark Ages the CMB would already have cooled off significantly (if you take the Dark Ages to span 150-800 million years after the BB, the temperature would be around 50 K at the onset). However, I do not believe this is the reason for referring to it as the Dark Ages. Rather, it is the fact that it appears dark to us which is the culprit in the naming - if you try to look at that epoch in an instrument, there is essentially nothing to be seen - the CMB is background and the rest is foreground. Essentially all you can try to search for is the 21 cm hydrogen line.
 
To help you answer your last question, the temperature of the CMB scales with redshift like so ##T = T_0 (1+z),\, T_0=2.725 {\rm K}##
 
Gerinski said:
The period from the end of recombination until the birth of the first stars is commonly referred to as "the Dark Ages" since no starlight existed yet.

But the cosmic bath of photons at that time which today we call the CMB was still hot, not yet having redshifted. It is usually said that temperature at the end of recombination (CMB) was around 3000 K, which would mean that the universe would have been glowing bright yellow

Yes, I think you are right, Universe was filled with yellow-reddish light at about 300 thousand years. But first stars formed much later - some 100 *million*, not thousand years after BB. A few million years after BB, gas temperature fell below 500K and CMB peak was firmly in infrared, so it become "pitch black" (for human vision).
 

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