What am I doing wrong in this simple exponential integral?

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The discussion revolves around a double integral involving an exponential function, specifically the inner integral \(\int_0^\infty{e^{-xy}dy}\). Participants are exploring the integration process and the implications of treating variables as constants.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of the exponential function and the correct application of differentiation with respect to the variable. There are questions about the antiderivative and the convergence conditions for the integral.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on treating \(x\) as a constant during integration and have pointed out the need to differentiate correctly. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the integral and its limits, as well as the application of the fundamental theorem of calculus.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the requirement for \(x > 0\) for convergence, and participants are also addressing potential misunderstandings regarding the treatment of variables in the context of the integral.

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This is part of double integral. I just can't seem to figure out what I'm doing wrong.

The inner integral comes out to be:

\int_0^\infty{e^{-xy}dy}

I emailed my teacher to help me through it, and he says this should integrate down to 1/X but I can't seem to figure out how. I'm no good with exponentials and differentiation/integration.

The antiderivative of e^{-xy} is -xe^{-xy} correct?
 
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Treat x as a constant when doing this table integral with respect to the dummy variable y. It only converges if x > 0.
 
In English would be preferable. :)
 
exitwound said:
In English would be preferable. :)

Please cover the section on Parametric Integrals. kthnxbai.
 
exitwound said:
The antiderivative of e^{-xy} is -xe^{-xy} correct?
That is incorrect. Differentiate your result with respect to y. Do you get e^{-xy}?

Get in the habit of double-checking your work, and in longer calculations, double-check your intermediate results. It might take a bit of extra work to do so, but it will save a lot of wasted effort.
 
Obviously, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I know that down to this point, everything's correct, as I've double-checked it vs what the teacher had given to me.

I realize I have to differentiate it with respect to y but this is where I'm having trouble. Would it be (e^{-xy})/-x? I'm not sure how to go through this one.
 
exitwound said:
obviously, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I know that down to this point, everything's correct, as I've double-checked it vs what the teacher had given to me.

I realize i have to differentiate it with respect to y but this is where I'm having trouble. Would it be (e^{-xy})/-x? I'm not sure how to go through this one.

it is a definite integral! You need to use the Newton - leibinitz formula (a.k.a the fundamental theorem of calculus) and substitute the limits!
 
exitwound said:
I realize I have to differentiate it with respect to y but this is where I'm having trouble. Would it be (e^{-xy})/-x? I'm not sure how to go through this one.
You are making this too hard. This is an easy problem.

Suppose a is some constant. What is

\int_0^{\infty} e^{-ax}\,dx

Conceptually, there is zero difference between the above and the problem at hand. Stop thinking of x as always being a variable. It isn't in this case.
 
That's what I've been trying to do for a few hours now. I know x isn't a variable. I know it's a constant.

In the case of your question:

\int_0^{\infty} e^{-ax}\,dx

(\frac{e^{-ax}}{-a})_0^\infty

(0-(1/-a))=1/a

yes?
 
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exitwound said:
That's what I've been trying to do for a few hours now. I know x isn't a variable. I know it's a constant.

In the case of your question:

\int_0^{\infty} e^{-ax}\,dx

(\frac{e^{-ax}}{-a})_0^\infty

(0-(1/-a))=1/a

yes?

Now, substitute a \rightarrow x and look at the hint your instructor gave you. Also, consider when you can make the value on the upper bound equal zero as you did.
 
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So:
\int_0^\infty{e^{-xy}}dy = \frac{e^{-xy}}{-x}_0^\infty = 0+1/x
 

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