What are the biggest problems of push / kinetic gravity theory?

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The discussion centers around the challenges and criticisms of "push" or kinetic gravity theory, exploring its viability and the reasons it may be considered problematic within the context of modern physics. Participants seek to identify specific issues that render the theory unlikely or impossible, referencing historical and contemporary perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the reasons for the dismissal of push gravity theory, suggesting that historical context and the lack of recent papers may contribute to its perceived invalidity.
  • There is a request for a ranking of the biggest problems associated with push gravity, including factors like drag, heat, isotropy, and particles, indicating a desire for a structured analysis of these issues.
  • One participant argues that while theories can be proven wrong, they cannot be definitively proven right, suggesting that all existing push gravity theories have been disproven.
  • Another participant proposes that examples of different push theories and the observations that have contradicted them could be beneficial for understanding the criticisms.
  • A reference to Wikipedia is provided as a resource for further exploration of the topic, specifically regarding Le Sage's theory of gravitation and its criticisms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ability to prove theories wrong versus right, with some asserting that push gravity theories have been proven wrong, while others maintain that proving a theory impossible is not straightforward. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific problems that challenge push gravity theory.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the historical context of push gravity theory and the challenges in finding contemporary research on the topic. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in evaluating the validity of such theories, with various assumptions and interpretations at play.

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What are the biggest problems of "push" / kinetic gravity theory?

Please, don't crucify me! I saw a couple of threads here closed for bringing this up, which I don't really understand why. Shouldn't we always doubt? I understand that it is old and common and amateurish idea in physics, but that fact alone might have it's own weight (no pun intended, lol).

So I did my best, from Wikipedia, Feynmans lectures (make sure to see them all on Tuva, they're very inspirational - thanks Gates), searched this forum and looked up some books (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Kinetic_Theories_of_Gravitation). This being really old and around idea, it has many documented reasoning, but I cannot really find any relatively new papers on the subject, presumable because it's was killed centuries ago and it is suppose to stay dead. I am not sure If I should get recent Push Gravity from Amazon, or is it just some publicist novel.

A lot of things were discovered in particle physics last century, and I just want to find out if someone took the effort of making sure that it is still all impossible theory. I had two related threads here, one about all the "stuff" that can be found in empty space, and another related to "stuff" that is absorbed by matter (e.g. Sun), both of which ended very informative for me.

So can anybody tell me, in order of importance, in laymen’s reasoning, what are the biggest problems that are making "push gravity" impossible? Drag? Heat? Isotropy? Particles?
 
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looka said:
So can anybody tell me, in order of importance, in laymen’s reasoning, what are the biggest problems that are making "push gravity" impossible? Drag? Heat? Isotropy? Particles?

How do you rank these? There are many areas where push gravity predictions don't match observations. It only takes one to rule out the theory.
 


Which would take the most imagination to explain, avoid and resolve and make theory work, I guess. We can't really prove any theroy impossible, just extremely unlikely and unbelievable, right? Or just don't order them then. :) I will surely look into all of them anyway. Thanks for your time.
 


looka said:
We can't really prove any theroy impossible, just extremely unlikely and unbelievable, right?
No, we can easily prove a theory wrong. What we can't do is really "prove" a theory right. All push gravity theories to date have been proven wrong.
 


DaleSpam said:
No, we can easily prove a theory wrong. What we can't do is really "prove" a theory right. All push gravity theories to date have been proven wrong.
Perhaps what the OP is asking for is a few examples of some of the different "push" theories, and the observations that disproved them.
 

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