What Are the Dynamics of a Collar Sliding on a Rotating Rod?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a collar sliding on a rotating rod, specifically analyzing the radial and transverse components of acceleration, the acceleration of the collar relative to the rod, and the transverse component of the collar's velocity at a certain point. The context includes a homework problem involving concepts of dynamics and rotational motion.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confidence in their solution but questions how to determine certain quantities without knowing the radial position as a function of time.
  • Another participant suggests that it is possible to find the radial acceleration using Newton's second law, indicating that the radial force can be expressed in terms of known quantities.
  • Further contributions emphasize that while the angular velocity and mass are known, the total force is not directly known and is broken into components that remain unspecified.
  • There is a suggestion to focus on the first part of the problem to clarify the approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to use Newton's second law but express uncertainty regarding the determination of forces and components without a clear function for the radial position.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the dependence on the unknown total force components and the lack of a defined relationship for the radial position over time.

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Homework Statement


A 3-lb collar can slide on a horizontal rod which is free to rotate about a vertical shaft. The collar is intially held at A by a cord attached to the shaft. A spring constant of 2 lb/ft is attached to the collar and to the shaft and is undeformed when the collar is at A. As the rod rotates at the rate ThetaDot=16 rad/s, the cord is cut and the collar moves out along the rod. Neglecting friction and mass of the rod, determine

a)the radial and transverse components of the acceleration at A

b)The acceleration of the collar relative to the rod at A

c)the transverse component of the velocity of the collar at B


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The Attempt at a Solution


I know the solution to the problem. The answers are
a) Ar=0, Atheta=0

b)1536 in./s^2

c)32.0 in/s

I don't feel like this is a difficult problem, but I am definitely missing a key concept. How can you determine these quantities without r as a function of time?
 

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Hi negatifzeo! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and an omega: ω and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
negatifzeo said:
I don't feel like this is a difficult problem, but I am definitely missing a key concept. How can you determine these quantities without r as a function of time?

I suppose you're wondering how you can find r'' without knowing r(t)? :redface:

It doesn't matter, because you can work it out from good ol' Newton's second law … Fradial = m(r'' - ω2r) :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi negatifzeo! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and an omega: ω and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)


I suppose you're wondering how you can find r'' without knowing r(t)? :redface:

It doesn't matter, because you can work it out from good ol' Newton's second law … Fradial = m(r'' - ω2r) :wink:


The angular velocity is given. The mass is given. But we don't know the total force, do we? The total force is broken up into two components, "e-sub-r" and "e-sub-theta", which we do not know.
 
Hi negatifzeo! :smile:

(what hapened to that θ i gave you? :redface:)
negatifzeo said:
The angular velocity is given. The mass is given. But we don't know the total force, do we? The total force is broken up into two components, "e-sub-r" and "e-sub-theta", which we do not know.

You won't need the eθ component of the force.

Try it for a) first. :smile:
 

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