What are the physical applications of Lorenz and Coulomb gauge?

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The discussion revolves around the physical significance and applications of the Lorenz and Coulomb gauges within the context of classical electromagnetism, particularly in relation to the Maxwell field equations. Participants explore the implications of gauge choices for both time-dependent and time-independent potentials.

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  • One participant notes that the Coulomb gauge is used for finding time-independent potentials, while the Lorenz gauge is for time-dependent potentials.
  • Another participant argues that gauge freedom in the Maxwell equations does not represent a physical degree of freedom, suggesting that fixing a gauge is merely a mathematical convenience.
  • A participant questions the significance and applications of the gauges, indicating that their teacher has stated the Lorenz gauge can yield pure scalar and vector potentials, while the Coulomb gauge cannot.
  • One participant elaborates on the necessity of scalar and vector potentials for fully time-dependent electromagnetic fields, explaining how these potentials relate to the electromagnetic fields through the homogeneous Maxwell equations.
  • The same participant describes how the Lorenz gauge condition allows for the decoupling of equations into four wave equations, which may simplify the analysis of radiation from charge and current distributions.
  • It is mentioned that while the Lorenz gauge has advantages for certain problems, other gauges may also be more convenient for different tasks, emphasizing that the physical outcomes remain unchanged regardless of the gauge chosen.

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Participants express differing views on the significance and applications of the Lorenz and Coulomb gauges, with no consensus reached on their physical implications or the extent of their applications.

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Some participants highlight the dependence of the discussion on definitions and the specific context of gauge choices, as well as the unresolved nature of the significance of these gauges in practical applications.

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i am searching the physical significance of lorenz and coloumb gauge but can't find anything besides that coloumb gauge is used for finding time independent potentials while lorenz is for finding time dependent potentials. and i'll be really grateful if u give me applications of then in any field.
 
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Hi rida! Gauge freedom in the classical Maxwell field equations is not a physical degree of freedom in the sense that you are not doing anything physical by fixing a gauge; they are just choices of functions that allow you to put the field equations in some convenient form for the problem at hand while still yielding the same physical electromagnetic field.
 
WannabeNewton said:
Hi rida! Gauge freedom in the classical Maxwell field equations is not a physical degree of freedom in the sense that you are not doing anything physical by fixing a gauge; they are just choices of functions that allow you to put the field equations in some convenient form for the problem at hand while still yielding the same physical electromagnetic field.

but my teacher has asked for significance and applications, and from your point there won't be any of them.
moreover my teacher has told us that lorenz gauge can give us pure scalar and vector potentials. but coloumb gauge can not. is it true? and what is the logic behind it
 
I don't understand exactly the problem given by your teacher.

The electromagnetic field is given by \vec{E} and \vec{B}, and these are the physically fields which give the force acting on charges according to Lorentz's Law, and that's how they are operationally defined (in the limit of negligible test charges).

For the fully time-dependent electromagnetic field you need a scalar and a vector potential. These are introduced due to the homogeneous Maxwell equations, i.e.,
\frac{1}{c} \partial_t \vec{B}+\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}=0, \quad \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{B}=0.
From these equations you draw the conclusion that there are a scalar field \Phi and a vector field \vec{A} such that
\vec{E}=-\frac{1}{c} \partial_t \vec{A}-\vec{\nabla} \Phi, \quad \vec{B}=\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}.
For a given electromagnetic field (\vec{E},\vec{B}), the potentials are not uniquely defined since obviously if (\Phi,\vec{A}) are a set of potentials that give the em. field, also
\Phi'=\Phi+\frac{1}{c} \partial_{\chi}, \quad \vec{A}'=\vec{A} - \nabla \chi
give the same em. field for an arbitrary scalar field \chi. Thus you can give one scalar constraint to simplify your task to solve for \Phi and \vec{A} from the remaining inhomogeneous Maxwell equations,
\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=\rho, \quad \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{B}-\frac{1}{c} \partial_t \vec{E}=\vec{j}.
The first inhomogeneous equation (Gauß's Law), written in terms of the potential reads
-\left (\frac{1}{c} \partial_t \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A} + \Delta \Phi \right )=\rho.
If you choose the Lorenz-gauge condition
\frac{1}{c} \partial_t \Phi+\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A}=0,
then you have
\left (\frac{1}{c^2} \partial_t^2 - \Delta \right ) \Phi:=\Box \Phi=\rho.
For the Ampere-Maxwell Law you get in terms of the potentials
\vec{\nabla} \times (\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}) + \frac{1}{c} \left (\frac{1}{c} \partial_t^2 \vec{A}+\nabla \partial_t \Phi \right)=\vec{j}.
If you use the Lorenz-gauge condition again in
\vec{\nabla} \times (\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A})=\vec{\nabla} (\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A})-\Delta \vec{A}=-\frac{1}{c} \nabla \partial_t \Phi - \Delta \vec{A},
you get
\Box \vec{A}=\vec{j}.
As you see, the Lorenz gauge has the advantage that the equations for the scalar potential and the three components of the vector field decouple to four wave equations, and that's why this is a convenient gauge to describe the radiation from given charge and current distributions.

You can of course use any other gauge to solve for the inhomogeneous equations. For some tasks other gauges can be more convenient. The physical outcome, i.e., the em. field is of course always the same, independent of the gauge condition chosen.
 

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