What are the Physics Behind the Equilibrium Motor Concept?

[Jonathan]

Oh! I'm sorry! It didn't occur to me that the link wouldn't work! Okay go here:
http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html
And click Patent Number Search on the left. Then enter 512,340 and click enter. (I think you need to include the comma.) It should pop right up, but they don't have it transcribed, they only have pictures of the actual patent papers. So click on the Images button, and you should see the picture of the usual coil and the coil described in the patent. By clicking the buttons to the side of the page you can read the whole patent, it is only three pages.
This explains the questions, I thought you all had read it by now, it didn't occur to me to try the link myself and see if it was the problem. Sorry!

 

[sheldon]

I tried to look at this coil and could not see it; I must not have the right viewer. Anyway, the beginning of the thread was about a special motor. I would like to start by saying that a regular motor is just as efficient as the motor described. I personally don’t think that motor described will even work. Knowing you people on this site, I need to explain so here it is, iron cores will store magnetic field, this may look like a benefit at first but it actually isn’t it will become nothing but a coagulated mess and eventually take a great amount of power to even turn the stator in order to break this stored magnetic field. A regular motor doesn’t use much power until it’s loaded, that’s the real test “under load”. As far as your inductance and capacitance and resonance and Tesla coils. I can say that under resonance of any energy flow through a medium is more efficient than going through a given material that is not resonant. Common sense really, any thing else is reactance to the energy flow. Now to agree with your views a little, If you are resonant with another energy source then you should be able to transmit or transform it into something else. For example if there is a stored energy held within the atmosphere and you make a devise that is resonant with the atmosphere it is possible to use such devise to drain that energy source for utilization. Why? because at resonance reactance is practicaly zero and alows for a path of energy flow.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

I could see the patent, after trying with all the available browsers and installing some plugins. I guess they wanted to keep it secret because of it's importance
Anyway, if anybody's interested I can do a pdf or something and post it here.
Jonathan I'll read the patent carefull and than come back...

 

[Jonathan]

Guyetc., I tried to do something with the patent, but couldn't get it to let me copy it.
sheldon, I think you are reading more into this resonance thing than necessary. I very much doubt that the coil's supposed properties need have anything to do with the resonant frequencies of its environment, ie the atmosphere, because one can build the coil to work at any reasonable frequency, what is important is that the AC in is at the resonant frequency of the coil.
As far as I can tell, the idea is that at the resonant frequency, self-inductance is minimized or eliminated, at which point there is little or no back-emf. With little or no back-emf, one can make it be an AC electromagnet and pay only for the energy to create and sustain the field, but not the energy to alternate it against itself. #It seems to me that additionally, if one applied the right frequency of alternating magnetic field to the coil, one would get little or no current induced in it, which occurs to me now would negate the working of the aforementioned transformer, requiring the design change of having the secondaries be normal coils, and only the primary be a special bifilar one.# I can't be sure, it is late here and I might just be very confused. To make this clear in case of future reference, I will put number signs at the beginning and end of what I'm unsure of.
Well, regardless, I think the coil might indeed have odd properties and when I get around to it I will do both versions of the transformer and see what happens.

 

[cala]

Well, Jonathan, that's were your special coil has the meeting point with my device. I think the no-work-motor works as I claim once the fields are created on the coils. The point is that to get that situation, you've got a transient, and you have to do work on that transient. That is something i did not see, and I've got to thank you all make me see this point. The explanation is under clasical physics. Now, the question if this work is less, more or the same is not quite clear, because in the transient (when creating the fields) we're doing work against the polarization of ONE iron core (the other active coil core remains almost in the same B field, althogh the H filed is increasing), but we are getting the rotational impulse of TWO iron cores. What do you think about this point?

 

[Jonathan]

If you are asking me specifically, I have no idea. I really don't understand how it was supposed to work in the first place.

 

[wimms]

I found a decent copy of the patent.
http://www.tfcbooks.com/patents/coil.htm

Indeed, its clever setup. It puts parasitic capacitance to use. Two coils closely together form capacitor. Voltage drop over both coils defines the voltage on the cap, and the more it is, the more effective capacitance.
In effect, its purely LC resonant circuit, where impedance drops at resonant frequency, not inductance. Any deviation from resonant frequency, and you face reactive impedance. Any deviation includes switch on or off power, resonance changes due to loading, surrounding magnetic fields, etc.
And it resonates only with AC, where magnets can't be made. If you try to use it for halfsine period, you aren't at resonance.
At resonance, its swinging energy between capacitance and inductance, that's why its easy to keep it going (its like inertial motion). But to put the energy in there, you do all the work (start the swing). I.e. from off to on, you face reactance. After you switch it off, IT wouldn't. You can't control it as freely as you need. Resonance can be your worst enemy sometimes. Think of your car with missing shocks.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

yes, what wimms said...

from the patent I understood that the main objective of Tesla was

My present invention has for its object to avoid the employment of condensers, which are expensive, cumbersome and difficult to maintain in perfect condition, and to so construct the coils themselves as to accomplish the same ultimate object.

nowdays you'll find condensers are not what they were on Tesla's time. You can use them easily and get the same effect without complicated coil geometries...

 

[sheldon]

Now that I can see the patent, I have to agree with wimms very well put. Can you explain the theory of the motor the thread started from better for me?

 

[Bluelite]

I must admit, I was skeptical, so I just closed the forum and went home. It would be like a rock rolling down a hill with no bottom: it just keeps falling forever.

Then, I found the patent! Yes, this "perpetual motion" machine has been patented. I now have renewed faith in the idea, and plan to "build-it". It is called the "Permanent Magnet Motor"; patented by Howard R. Johnson on April 24, 1979 (US Patent Number 4,151,431).

Here is a link with pictures and articles:
http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/4151431-pg1.html

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Originally posted by Bluelite
Then, I found the patent! Yes, this "perpetual motion" machine has been patented. I now have renewed faith in the idea, and plan to "build-it". It is called the "Permanent Magnet Motor"; patented by Howard R. Johnson on April 24, 1979 (US Patent Number 4,151,431).

ever wondered why nobody managed to "build-it" by now? I mean the patent is 24 years old...

 

[pallidin]

Standard patents mean nothing more than granting the "ownership" right of the patent to the patent submissor(s).
That is, the device DOESN'T have to work at all! A patent IS NOT a government stamp of approval with regards to efficacy. It is a stamp of concept ownership, nothing more!
I have often heard people say "well, it's patented, so it must work"
Not true.
A patent is merely a legal document that describes "claims" which, when afforded the patentee, lawfully excludes others from asserting those same claims on a similar frame without permission from the patent holder. A standard patent has NOTHING to do with whether the device actually works; it is simply a legal recognition of IDEA ownership.