What are the possible forms and classifications of groups of order 12?

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The discussion revolves around the classification of groups of order 12, specifically using Sylow theorems to analyze the existence of normal subgroups. The original poster seeks guidance on how to approach the problem, which involves showing that if a group does not have a normal subgroup of order 3, it must have a normal subgroup of order 4, leading to specific group forms.

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  • Participants discuss the application of Sylow counting arguments to determine the existence of normal subgroups. There is an exploration of the implications of having different numbers of Sylow subgroups and the contradictions that arise from certain assumptions.

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Some participants have provided partial proofs and reasoning regarding the existence of normal subgroups. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these findings for classifying groups of order 12, with suggestions to consider cases based on the normal subgroups identified.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the specific orders of subgroups and the requirement to classify groups up to isomorphism. There is a mention of potential contradictions arising from the assumptions made about the number of Sylow subgroups.

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Hey there guys.

Let G be a group of order 12. Show by a Sylow counting argument that if G does not have a normal subgroup of order 3 then it must have a normal subgroup of order 4.

Deduce that G has one of the following forms:
(i) C_3 \rtimes C_4
(ii) C_3 \rtimes (C_2 \times C_2)
(iii) C_4 \rtimes C_3 or
(iv) (C_2 \times C_2) \rtimes C_3

Hence, classify all groups of order 12 up to isomorphism.

Any suggestions on how to go about doing this one please?
I will attempt myself once I have a good idea of what to do . Thnx :)
 
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ok here is what i have for the first part.

Please verify whether this is correct or not.

matusers said:
Let G be a group of order 12. Show by a Sylow counting argument that if G does not have a normal subgroup of order 3 then it must have a normal subgroup of order 4.

suppose G has sylow 3-subgroup: order 3 and sylow 2-subgroup: order 4.

Let x be number of sylow 3-subgroups then x|3 and x=1(mod3). so x = 1 or 4.
Let y be number of sylow 2-subgroups then y|2 and y=1(mod2). so y= 1 or 2.

We have to show either x=1 or y=1 as that would imply it has a sylow subgroup which is fixed by conjugation and is therefore a normal subgroup.

Let's contradict:
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let x=4, y=2. If x has 4 distinct subgroups of order 3 then the intersection of any 2 must be a subgroup and hence a proper divisor of 3. i.e. it's 1.
Together, the 4 subgroups have 9 distinct elements.

On the other hand, the sylow 2-subgroup has a trivial intersection with any of the sylow 3-subgroups and hence has 3 additional distinct elements.
So altogether so far, we have 12 elements.

However, we still have a remaining order 4 subgroup that adds atleast 1 more element. So in total, we have atleast 13 distinct elements. This is a contradiction because the group has only 12 elements. This means either x=1 or y=1. So there is a normal subgroup of order 4.

any ideas on how to solve the rest of the question. i.e. as below?.
mathusers said:
Deduce that G has one of the following forms:
(i) C_3 \rtimes C_4
(ii) C_3 \rtimes (C_2 \times C_2)
(iii) C_4 \rtimes C_3 or
(iv) (C_2 \times C_2) \rtimes C_3

Hence, classify all groups of order 12 up to isomorphism.
 
2 \equiv 0 (\rm{mod} 2)
(The choices for y are 1 and 3.)

The rest of the proof for the first part is OK.

You can do the second part as cases again.
(What are the possibilities for G/H for each of the normal subgroups.)
 

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