What are the types of subspaces in R^4?

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The discussion revolves around identifying and describing the types of subspaces in R^4. Participants are exploring the characteristics of these subspaces and how they relate to lower-dimensional spaces.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants attempt to list the types of subspaces in R^4, including lines, planes, and the zero vector. Questions arise regarding the definitions of planes and the dimensionality of subspaces.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the definitions and classifications of subspaces. Some guidance has been offered regarding the dimensionality of subspaces, but there is no explicit consensus on the fifth type of subspace or the interpretation of planes.

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There is some confusion regarding terminology, particularly the use of "planes" in different dimensions and how they relate to R^4. Participants also note potential misinterpretations of mathematical symbols and terms.

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There are more answers to this problem, but I'm not sure how to approach it.

The subspaces of [tex]R^3[/tex] are planes, lines, [tex]R^3[/tex] itself, or Z containing only (0,0,0,0).

b. Describe the five type of subspaces of [tex]R^4[/tex]

i. lines thru (0,0,0,0)
ii. zero (0,0,0,0)

iii. planes thru (0,0,0,0)
What do you mean by planes? Are you assuming 2 dimensional sets as is usual with planes?

iv. itself, [tex]R^4[/tex]

What's the 5th?
 
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There are more answers to this problem, but I'm not sure how to approach it.

The subspaces of [tex]R^3[/tex] are planes[/quote]
Planes containing the origin
, lines
Lines through the origin
, [tex]R^3[/tex] itself, or Z containing only (0,0,0,0).
caution: Z is typically used to mean the set of integers. Here, I guess you mean "the set containing only (0, 0, 0)". (NOT (0,0,0,0)!)

b. Describe the five type of subspaces of [tex]R^4[/tex]

i. lines thru (0,0,0,0)
ii. zero (0,0,0,0)
More correctly, the set containing only the zero vector.

iii. planes thru (0,0,0,0)
What do you mean by planes? Are you assuming 2 dimensional sets as is usual with planes?

iv. itself, [tex]R^4[/tex]

What's the 5th?

Look at number iii again. You have incorporated two different "kinds" of subspace there.
(R4 is 4 dimensional. Think of your five kinds of subspace as: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4.)
 
HallsofIvy said:
Look at number iii again. You have incorporated two different "kinds" of subspace there.
(R4 is 4 dimensional. Think of your five kinds of subspace as: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4.)

iii. planes thru (0,0,0,0)

iv. itself, Click to see the LaTeX code for this image

What's the 5th?
So I have planes in R^4. But I also have planes in R^2 and R^3 passing thru (0,0,0,0) that are contained in R^4. Lastly, R^4, itself.
 
It doesn't make sense to talk of a plane in R^3 being contained in R^4 as if that were a well defined object. Even if we identify a copy of R^3 sitting inside R^4, any plane in R^3 is still a plane in R^4 so you just counted it when you specified the set of planes (passing through the origin). Also, R^2 contains only one 2-dimensional subspace - itself.

Doing it in coords, isn't the set of things (x,y,z,0) a subspace of R^4? What is its dimension?
 
rocomath said:
So I have planes in R^4. But I also have planes in R^2 and R^3 passing thru (0,0,0,0) that are contained in R^4. Lastly, R^4, itself.

Once again what do you mean by "planes"? How is a "plane in R^2" different from a "plane in R^3" or a "plane in R^4"?
 

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