What Causes Eddy Currents in a Copper Tube?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the forces responsible for the phenomenon of a neodymium magnet falling slowly through a copper tube, with a focus on the concept of eddy currents. Participants explore the underlying physics, including the interaction between magnetic fields and conductors, and the implications of these interactions in practical applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants identify gravity and electromagnetic force as the primary forces at play in the scenario.
  • Others propose that the question may involve a free body diagram, indicating the complexity of the forces involved.
  • One participant mentions that any magnet can produce similar effects in a conductor, not just neodymium magnets.
  • There is a suggestion that the phenomenon can be utilized in practical applications, such as damping in seismometers.
  • Participants discuss the generation of electric currents when a magnetic field moves through a conductor, specifically referencing "eddy currents" as a topic for further exploration.
  • There is an emphasis on understanding what eddy currents do or cause within the context of the experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the involvement of gravity and electromagnetic forces, but there are multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of these forces and the role of eddy currents, leaving the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the level of understanding of the participants are present, and the discussion hints at the need for further research into eddy currents and their effects, which remains unresolved.

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What are the three forces responsible for a neodymium magnet to fall slowly down through a heavy copper tube?
 
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Welcome to PF;
That's a good question - what have you come up with so far?
i.e. have you listed the forces that are available to the universe? There are only four - but I feel the question may be treating one of them as two.
 
Hi clark

its a good experiment, as Simon has said, have a think about what is happening
A hint ... a moving magnetic field and a conductor :wink:

also it could be any magnet and it works just as well with an aluminium tube

I use this action to produce dampening in a seismometer ( earthquake detector)
but rather than an aluminium tube, I use a moving strip of aluminium between 2 fixed magnets

Dave
 
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Simon Bridge said:
Welcome to PF;
That's a good question - what have you come up with so far?
i.e. have you listed the forces that are available to the universe? There are only four - but I feel the question may be treating one of them as two.

Well I can think of the two obvious, Gravity and Electromagnetic force.
 
1. gravitation
2. electrical
3. magnetic

ruling out the strong and weak nuclear forces.

But - it may be that the question is thinking in terms of a free body diagram?
It really depends on where you are up to in your course.

Have you tried davenn's suggestion?
 
davenn said:
Hi clark

its a good experiment, as Simon has said, have a think about what is happening
A hint ... a moving magnetic field and a conductor :wink:

also it could be any magnet and it works just as well with an aluminium tube

I use this action to produce dampening in a seismometer ( earthquake detector)
but rather than an aluminium tube, I use a moving strip of aluminium between 2 fixed magnets

Dave

I know that an electric current is generated when the magnet moves through the conductor. I looked it up and found something called "Eddy's Current" that i will need to look into so i can better understand exactly what occurs.
 
clark84 said:
I know that an electric current is generated when the magnetic field moves through the conductor. I looked it up and found something called "Eddy's Current" that i will need to look into so i can better understand exactly what occurs.

That's a good start :smile:
Now think or research about what those eddy currents that are set up in the pipe do/causeDave

PS, note the little highlighted correction I did in your quoted text :smile:
 

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