What Components Make Up an Op Amp?

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The discussion revolves around the internal components and functioning of operational amplifiers (op amps). Participants explore the basic structure, characteristics, and theoretical understanding of op amps, with a focus on their application in amplification and circuit design.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether an op amp is simply an npn transistor used for amplification and requests a simple explanation suitable for a high school project.
  • Another participant states that op amps contain multiple transistors, some for amplification and others for current sources.
  • A question is raised about whether understanding npn transistors and their operation would help in grasping the concept of op amps, suggesting that op amps may be a combination of many npn transistor amplifiers.
  • One participant suggests that it may be more beneficial to learn op-amp theory as a fundamental unit rather than focusing on the individual components, proposing the idea of treating an op amp as a black box.
  • Another participant outlines key characteristics of op amps, including assumptions about input and output impedance and the programmability of gain through feedback resistors.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the equations related to feedback resistors in op-amp circuits, asking for clarification on why one equation includes Rf + Rin while another does not.
  • Further discussion includes assumptions made when analyzing op-amp circuits, such as infinite input resistance and infinite gain, which lead to complex equations.
  • A request for clarification on the derivation of current calculations for resistors in op-amp circuits is made.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the internal workings of op amps and their theoretical implications. There is no consensus on whether it is more effective to understand op amps as a combination of transistors or as a standalone unit. Multiple viewpoints on the best approach to learning about op amps remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific assumptions and characteristics of op amps, but these are not universally agreed upon and may depend on the context of their application. The discussion includes references to external resources for further information, which may contain varying interpretations of op amp behavior.

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What's inside an op amp? Is it just an npn transistor used for amplification? So can we explain it in the terms of base and collector current?
Please elaborate simply (It's a high school project)
 
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Op amps contain many transistors, some are used for amplification, others for current sources.

http://members.arstechnica.com/x/so1os/500px-OpAmpTransistorLevel_Colored_Labeled.svg.png
 
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Ok, so if I know what npn transistor, its structure, its working and its formulas like current gain=[tex]\beta[/tex]=Vo/Vin are and how it can be used as an amplifier and as a switch, will I be able to understand op amps? In other words, does it have the same basics? Is it a combination of many npn transistor amplifiers (as depicted by the image you posted)?
 
Instead of trying to understand op-amps as the sum of their parts, youy're probably beetter off learning op-amp theory as a fundamental unit. Think of an op-amp as a black box; you don't need to know what's inside in order to understand it, you need only know how it behaves given specific input.

http://www.pic101.com/op_amp.htm
 
ok, that means its a black box which amplifies, that's it, right?

@what how did you drop the white background in the image you posted?
 
It may not hae been initially clear, but there's a link in my prior post which answers your op-amp question. An op-amp is an amplifier which has the following characteristics:

1) Assume the output impedance as almost zero.

2) Assume the - input impedance as almost zero.

3) Assume the + input impedance as almost infinite.

4) The gain is programmable by the feedback resistor, the resistor from the output pin to the negative input pin, from zero to infinite depending on the device.

5) An opamp can amplify AC or DC voltages, or both.

EDIT: I've bolded an error I just noticed in the previous link. Everything else looks okay, but I'll provide an alternate link with more accurate information:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electronic/opampi.html
 
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Oh K...I checked out the link you gave and I have a question regarding it::

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Can you tell why the second equation has Rf+Rin while the first one does not?
 
uzair_ha91 said:
ok, that means its a black box which amplifies, that's it, right?

@what how did you drop the white background in the image you posted?

That's because the image has .png extension which is basically a multi layered image, and it does not have a background encoded so it could save memory.


Can you tell why the second equation has Rf+Rin while the first one does not?

There are two assumptions when analyzing op-amp circuits:

1. The inputs have infinite input resistance.
2. Output has infinite gain.


and when you apply this you are going to get a lot of weird equations.



http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_3/chpt_8/2.html
 
Can you explain the second step of the derivation where i is calculated for both resistors?
 

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