What country is really the best for the individual?

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i see a lot of topics posted about what is wrong with countries around our globe, but which country is the best in your opinion? and why politically? where would you live if you could choose? for me, i would go to canada...
 

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Canada rocks!! It is like America's nicer little brother.
 
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Well, Brunei is nice for the individual, if you happen to be Sultan.

Seriously. While many might not like to hear it, most of the industrialized, modern democratic states are good enough. In Western Europe, USA, Canada, Japan and probably even South Korea now, you have enough freedom and opportunity to make a good life.

For me personally, I think the USA is the right place. I wish I had the chance to experience life in other countries though, not just travel, live and work etc.

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Originally posted by Njorl

Seriously. While many might not like to hear it, most of the industrialized, modern democratic states are good enough. In Western Europe, USA, Canada, Japan and probably even South Korea now, you have enough freedom and opportunity to make a good life.

No, that's probably the truth...western Europe, the U.S. and Canada, and Japan all have basically workable governments. It may just be a matter of personal preference, like choosing a favorite color.
 
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Norway came out from a survey as number one.
 
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The Netherlands has the best healthy care/ social security system.
 
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Originally posted by Njorl
Well, Brunei is nice for the individual, if you happen to be Sultan.

Seriously. While many might not like to hear it, most of the industrialized, modern democratic states are good enough. In Western Europe, USA, Canada, Japan and probably even South Korea now, you have enough freedom and opportunity to make a good life.

For me personally, I think the USA is the right place. I wish I had the chance to experience life in other countries though, not just travel, live and work etc.

Njorl

As a woman, Japan isn't exactly the most egalitrian society. :wink: I vote for New Zealand. At least a woman there can be elected to the highest office in the country (helen clark). This hasn't happened in America. This comes from a raging feminist.
 
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Freedom to choose

Surely any one of the EU countries? That way you have the freedom to live and work in any of the 15, soon to be 25, then 27, ... Summer in Finland, winter in Greece, skiing in the Alps, siestas in Spain, ...
 
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The Netherlands has the best healthy care/ social security system.

and amsterdam has its own advantages :wink:
 
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I'd have to say that I like the US best, and yet there is so much I hate too. I really feel this country is going downhill, I kinda have a flashback to a History Channel series I saw about the Romans...thought it really isn't that bad, yet.
 
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You really can't say which one you like best, or have you lived in a handfull of other countries?
 
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Originally posted by adrenaline
As a woman, Japan isn't exactly the most egalitrian society. :wink: I vote for New Zealand. At least a woman there can be elected to the highest office in the country (helen clark). This hasn't happened in America. This comes from a raging feminist.

new zealand would be an excellent place i agree (as a woman too ;) )
 
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Originally posted by adrenaline
As a woman, Japan isn't exactly the most egalitrian society. :wink: I vote for New Zealand. At least a woman there can be elected to the highest office in the country (helen clark). This hasn't happened in America. This comes from a raging feminist.

I continue to be surprised at the places that elect woman as leaders before the US even puts one up as a significant candidate - England, Israel, India, Nicaragua, Phillipines and Pakistan just off the top of my head.

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Might be the difference between the parliamentary system and the US tripartite one. In the former, the leader is selected by the victorious party, e.g. Mrs. Thatcher by the Conservatives. In the latter, the candidates have to endure an election by the voters. One might expect that the party elites would be more liberal than the public at large.
 
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Monique: No, I have barely been outside the US. However, one needn't leave to know that most other places are crappy (my opinion, notice 'most', not 'all'). Here's what I think: I've heard hardly one good thing about Africa, Asia, or Central/South America so they're out. Europe and Canada have too many free range socialists for my taste, so they're out (don't know about England though, I do like their accents ). So I'm left with the US, maybe England, and the yet to exist Jonsylvania in Antartica, but I really don't like the cold or the 6 months of night.
 
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Do they have guns there?

Jonathan, how could you forget Bush's loyal supporter, John Howard (the PM of Australia)??

It's a huge country (as big as continental US), with great beer (and wine too, but don't tell your mates in the Napa valley), fantastic cuisine (all those immigrants, just like the US), ... only trouble is, you can't legally own an M16, an AK47, or any other firearm of your choice, except if you are a 'farmer' and need such a thing for 'vermin control'.:wink:

The Aussies have their own sense of humour, not quite as witty as the Poms, but certainly far preferable to the slapstick variety so common on TV in your hometown.

BTW, what is a 'free range socialist'?
 
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Originally posted by Jonathan
Monique: No, I have barely been outside the US. However, one needn't leave to know that most other places are crappy (my opinion, notice 'most', not 'all'). Here's what I think: I've heard hardly one good thing about Africa, Asia, or Central/South America so they're out. Europe and Canada have too many free range socialists for my taste, so they're out (don't know about England though, I do like their accents ). So I'm left with the US, maybe England, and the yet to exist Jonsylvania in Antartica, but I really don't like the cold or the 6 months of night.
You limit yourself by your biases, dude!

Asia can be fun, if you have the cash, some parts of Africa are gorgeous, and South America has the best beaches besides Australia.
 
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I guess Australia didn't come to mind, they seem so like the US, but I'm not sure, I never hear about them.
That was a joke. Heard of 'free range chickens'? They're not cooped up, ie they allow the socialists out into the streets to interact with the normal people. But in the cases I mentioned, I'm pretty sure that the 'normal' people have a high percentage, possibly a majority, among them that are socialist, which almost makes an oxymoron.
 
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Originally posted by Jonathan
I guess Australia didn't come to mind, they seem so like the US, but I'm not sure, I never hear about them.
That was a joke. Heard of 'free range chickens'? They're not cooped up, ie they allow the socialists out into the streets to interact with the normal people. But in the cases I mentioned, I'm pretty sure that the 'normal' people have a high percentage, possibly a majority, among them that are socialist, which almost makes an oxymoron.
Ummm...you should look around...very few people buy into the very narrow-minded neoconservative values that you seem to endorse.
 
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It was a joke,oh brilliant Zero, who is my guiding light in the darkness of my fundamentalist nonsense. BTW, look around no one here is antireligion, though there are a few atheists, that's not the same, it's just you.
I am not the religious fundamentalist you make me out to be (which is based on nothing, since you don't know me), esp. given the number of times I've posted in the 'masterbating' thread.
 
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LOL, very funny. I have actually been checking back to see if you'd replied yet, it didn't occur to me you'd do that. Once again, I will stress that I was joking.
Now anyway, we have gotten completely off Kerrie's topic, so back to "What is the best country to live in for the individual?", if there is anything that anyone else wants to say. (Keep in mind you'll be badgered if your beliefs are not the same as Zero's )
 
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Originally posted by Jonathan
I guess Australia didn't come to mind, they seem so like the US, but I'm not sure, I never hear about them.
That was a joke. Heard of 'free range chickens'? They're not cooped up, ie they allow the socialists out into the streets to interact with the normal people. But in the cases I mentioned, I'm pretty sure that the 'normal' people have a high percentage, possibly a majority, among them that are socialist, which almost makes an oxymoron.
So how do you tell a 'free range socialist' from a 'free range conservative/liberal/Republican/Christian Democrat/nationalist/{insert your favourite here}'? I guess the non-freerange ones are all in North Korea, who doesn't want to let them out.

Perhaps they have nose rings and green hair? don't wear black leather jackets and blue jeans? drive Volvos and Kias? prefer to watch "Four Weddings and a Funeral" and "Yellow Earth" (even Kurosawa's "Ran"!) to "Black Hawk Down" and "Independence Day"? :wink:

Anyway, last time I looked, there were a great many non-socialist governments in place, in Europe and elsewhere, presumably elected democratically rather than installed by army coups.

Now here's a nice contradiction: China got to its current place as #1 source of global economic growth (the US is #2) by doing many of the things which non-socialists love; in many ways it's a model for economic growth for developing economies. For sure their 7 to 18% pa GDP growth didn't happen through the implementation of Marxist principles! If you do have a chance, go to Shanghai and watch real entrenerial capitalists at work! You might like to talk with a 'turtle' or two too.
 
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I couldn't really follow your post. but you can tell a fre range socialist from any other person because they are socialist and interacting with other people. Considering that this is a free country, all people are free range except the criminals and the insane. As to how to look at them and tell they are socialist, there is no way, you really can't do that with almost any group one wants to spot.
I couldn't follow the last part at all. But if you charge a reasonable amount for a product but pay the workers little or nothing, of course the GDP is going to be big.
 
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What do they teach in schools these days?

How much economics did they teach in your school Jonathan? I don't mean to be disrespectful, but from your last post it may be that the state of ecomonics education in public schools is even more woeful than that of maths and physics (from what I read, that in US high schools is quite shockingly low).
But if you charge a reasonable amount for a product but pay the workers little or nothing, of course the GDP is going to be big.
So, if the workers in the Maldives are paid 'little or nothing', the GDP of the Maldives 'is going to be big'?
 
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"What do they teach in schools these days?" -Nereid

I don't know what they teach in Jonathan's HS, but my oldest daughter graduated from high school last year. I'm pretty certain that the term "global economics" never came up. Sadly, I'd bet it's not covered in most high schools.
 

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