What determines if a reaction is exotermic or endotermic?

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The discussion centers around the factors that determine whether a chemical reaction is exothermic or endothermic, with a focus on understanding these concepts from a physics perspective rather than a purely chemical one. Participants explore the energy dynamics involved in phase changes, combustion, and the role of molecular motion and entropy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a physics-oriented explanation for why energy is required for phase changes, such as ice melting into water, and questions the superficial nature of chemical bond reorganization.
  • Another participant explains that endothermic reactions require heat input to overcome intermolecular forces, while exothermic reactions release heat due to the reformation of chemical bonds during combustion.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how exothermic reactions lead to increased molecular motion and why this chaotic motion is associated with endothermic reactions.
  • One participant argues that the discussion should focus on entropy changes rather than just energy changes, highlighting the need to consider both energy and entropy in understanding phase changes like melting.
  • A later reply clarifies that the participant is looking for a description of the processes rather than an explanation of the underlying reasons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of a physics approach versus a chemical thermodynamics perspective, indicating a lack of consensus on how to frame the discussion. The relationship between energy, entropy, and molecular motion remains contested.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity of the concepts involved, including the interplay between energy changes and entropy, as well as the assumptions related to molecular behavior during phase changes and reactions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the thermodynamic principles underlying chemical reactions, particularly those seeking to understand the physics of energy transfer and molecular interactions in various states of matter.

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Using a more physics oriented approach, rather than a chemistry one, and looking to an energy point of view if possible. For example, why when ice turns into water there is a need for energy (heat)? I know in some extent that the energy is used into re-organizing the chemical bonds, but that seems very superficial. And also I don't really understand the more general cases, like things burning and "making fire". Thank you for the responses in advance, anything will be helpfull.
 
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Endothermic reactions (phase change from solid to liquid, or liquid to gas) require heat input to the system, as opposed to exothermic reactions which generate heat.

In the case of ice (solid) to water (liquid), the molecules of water require more kinetic energy (from an external source) to overcome the intermolecular forces.

In the case of combustion, the oxidizer (oxygen) combines with the fuel (e.g., hydrocarbon) whereby the molecules of oxygen and fuel (reactants) reform to products such as H2O and CO2, which releases the stored chemical energy from the bonds (C-C, C-H). Usually there is some initial energy to start the reaction, which then proceeds based on the energy generated from the reformation of fuel and oxygen molecules.
 
Thank you very much for the fast response. However, when thinking about heat as chaotic motion of molecules, I get confused. How does an exothermic reaction or a combustion causes that kind of motion? And why does a more caotic motion of molecules causes an endothermic reaction to happen?
 
I don't know what you mean with a more physics related approach. This is a classical topic of chemical thermodynamics, and it is less about the change of energy than about the change of entropy.
When melting water, you have to break hydrogen bonds between the water molecules. This costs energy. At the same time, the entropy increases, as a water molecule in liquid water have more degrees of freedom to move around.
Taking both things together, water will melt if the increase of entropy of the surrounding, which is given as ##\Delta H/T##, equals the entropy change of the liquid, which is ##\Delta S##. I. e. the melting temperature is given as ##T_m=\Delta S_m/\Delta H_m##.
 
Thank you! But I meant a descripiton on how it happens and not "why"...
 

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