What Determines the Natural Period of Vibration in a Pinned Disk System?

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The discussion centers on determining the natural period of vibration for a pinned disk system supporting a weight. Key equations include the moment of inertia and angular acceleration, with the moment equation being central to the analysis. Participants highlight the importance of accurately accounting for forces and moments, particularly the weight's effect during acceleration. Misconceptions about small-angle approximations and equilibrium states are addressed, emphasizing the need for rigorous calculations. The conversation ultimately guides towards correctly applying the equations to find the system's natural vibration characteristics.
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Homework Statement


The disk, hvng a weight of 15kN, is pinned at it center O and supports the blck A that has a weight of 3 kN. If the belt which passes over the disk is not allowed to slip at its contacting surface, determine the natural period of vibration of the system.

Homework Equations


\SigmaMo=Mo
T=1/f
Mo=I \alpha
I=(1/2)*M*r2

The Attempt at a Solution


M=I \alpha
I=1/2*M*r2
I=(1/2)*(15000/9.81)*(0.75)2
I=430 kg*m2
therefore Mo=430*\alpha

\SigmaMo=Mo
430\alpha=(0.75)(K*x)-(0.75)*(3000)
x=0.75sin(\vartheta)
sin(\vartheta)=1 because \vartheta is very small
therefore \vartheta=0.75

430\alpha=(0.75)(80000)(0.75)\vartheta-(0.75)*(3000)

At this point I'm not sure what to do. I have 2 terms in angular components and one in rectangular components. I'm not sure if I can just convert the moment provided by the weight into an angular compononent or if I need to somehow include its moment with the momnt provided by the spring. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 

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yoamocuy said:
T=1/f

Where did you get this?

430\alpha=(0.75)(K*x)-(0.75)*(3000)

I once made the same mistake on a major exam and it cost me dearly. The weight does not exert 0.75*3000 N because it's accelerating. Draw a free-body diagram on the weight to see what it exerts.

x=0.75sin(\vartheta)
sin(\vartheta)=1 because \vartheta is very small
therefore \vartheta=0.75

You don't need to assume that theta is very small; no approximations are required here. Even if you did, sin(theta) is equal to 0 when theta is small, not 1.

430\alpha=(0.75)(80000)(0.75)\vartheta-(0.75)*(3000)

How did you get this? The only equation you need is this:

430\alpha=(0.75)(K*x)-(0.75)*(3000)

when you correct the mistake, you'll see that it takes the form d^2x/dt^2 + m^2x=0. The period is just m. (Huge hint: x=r*theta).
 


T=1/f
ideasrule said:
Where did you get this?
period=1/frequence



ideasrule said:
I once made the same mistake on a major exam and it cost me dearly. The weight does not exert 0.75*3000 N because it's accelerating. Draw a free-body diagram on the weight to see what it exerts.

Isn't the spring holding the system in equilibrium? We are just slightly disrupting the system to provide a small vibration so we can equate for the natural vibration arent we?






430\alpha=(0.75)(80000*0.75*theta)-(0.75)*(3000)
ideasrule said:
How did you get this? The only equation you need is this:

430\alpha=(0.75)(K*x)-(0.75)*(3000)


That is the equation I used, I just plugged in the 80000 in for the value of k and 0.75*theta in for the value of x.
 


yoamocuy said:
Isn't the spring holding the system in equilibrium? We are just slightly disrupting the system to provide a small vibration so we can equate for the natural vibration arent we?

I didn't understand the second sentence, but the system isn't in equilibrium because it's vibrating. It's always good to do things rigorously and only approximate if absolutely necessary.
 
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