What Experiments Can Prove Light and Wavelength Theory Using TCS230?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around experiments using the TCS230 color sensor to explore light and wavelength theory. Participants share their experimental methodologies, results, and seek further ideas for experiments related to light sensing, illumination effects, and the sensor's internal mechanisms.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes initial experiments with the TCS230 using fluorescent light and later with LED illumination, applying Fermat's principle and Lambert's cosine law to analyze results.
  • Another participant clarifies that Fermat's principle relates to refraction and is not directly applicable to the TCS230 experiments, while confirming that the speed of light is the same for all colors in a vacuum and air.
  • A participant expresses dissatisfaction with their results and seeks further experimental ideas involving illumination, surface interactions, and wavelength considerations with the TCS230.
  • One participant suggests using filters and varying intensity to reproduce the TCS230's photodiode spectral responsivity as indicated in the data sheet.
  • There is a correction regarding the TCS230's function, stating it outputs different frequencies for various color light illumination rather than converting visible light to frequency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of Fermat's principle to their experiments, and there is no consensus on the best experimental approaches moving forward. The discussion remains open with multiple competing ideas and methods proposed.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in available resources regarding the internal workings of the TCS230 and the need for further clarification on its functionality. There is also uncertainty about the relationship between illumination types and sensor output.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in experimental physics, color sensing technology, and the application of optical principles in practical experiments may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi guys, i been recently implementing TCS230 for my final year project, so i have did few experimental stuff on TCS230 and applied few theory for the methodology, first experiment was TCS230 without LED illumination and with just fluorescent light illumination, i got some result and it was not good and i prove it with Fermat's principle, then i did experiment with LED illumination and i prove the theory with lamberts cosine law. I am planning to do more experiment with TCS230 and prove some of light or wavelength theory, what kind of experiment can i do?

Since TCS230 output is frequency base, can i calculate the wavelength with c=f.lamda? is all the visible color has the same speed of light? This particular TCS230 has internal light to frequency converter, i can't find any info on this particular device, how actually it works? please help me, i have tried research across net and books, but i can't really find any reliable source for all this question, please do help me.
 
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thavamaran said:
Hi guys, i been recently implementing TCS230 for my final year project, so i have did few experimental stuff on TCS230 and applied few theory for the methodology, first experiment was TCS230 without LED illumination and with just fluorescent light illumination, i got some result and it was not good and i prove it with Fermat's principle, then i did experiment with LED illumination and i prove the theory with lamberts cosine law. I am planning to do more experiment with TCS230 and prove some of light or wavelength theory, what kind of experiment can i do?

Since TCS230 output is frequency base, can i calculate the wavelength with c=f.lamda? is all the visible color has the same speed of light? This particular TCS230 has internal light to frequency converter, i can't find any info on this particular device, how actually it works? please help me, i have tried research across net and books, but i can't really find any reliable source for all this question, please do help me.

Welcome to the PF. From a quick google search, the TCS230 is an RGB photodiode converter to a frequency output signal. Looks to be for light level sensing and color sensing.

Fermat's principle has to do with refraction of light, and would seem to be unrelated. Lamber's Cosine Law relates to reflectance off of surfaces (gotta' love Wikipedia.org). What exactly do you want to do? And yes, the speed of light in a vacuum and in air is the same for all colors. There are some media that are dispersive, but you will probably not run into that in your experiments.
 
Hey berkeman, you are right about fermat's principle for refraction and there is laws of reflection which using fermats principle as methodology.

Check it out here:

http://http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/phyopt/Fermat.html"

So the thing is i am not satisfied with the experiments i did with TCS230, i have this thought that i could perform more on this sensor, so as you know its directly got to do with light, what else experiment i can do with this sensor, may be through illumination, surface, or wavelength or whatsoever, so i don't really have any idea right now, so i need ideas from pros like you, please help me. let me tell you in detail about the experiments i done so far.

1st was i used this color sensor without any diffuse illumination and only got the reading which fluorescent lights illumination in my lab, therefore when i read the through the medium which is an A4 paper printed with colors and my sensor on top of it, so there was no proper reflection and only shadow left, so i prove this with laws of reflection correlated to fermats principle.

2nd i did a new board with White Led, white led because through my research i found that white led blocks other ambient light, correct me if I am wrong, then the output was perfect with i measured the same color with diffrent intensity, which from dark to bright, like an example for red, from 0 to 255, and the output keep increasing according to brightness. so i prove the diffuse reflection works fine with lamberts cosine law.

now i need idea to further extend my experiment, i really want to squeeze out everyting i need to know about this, please give me idea, i just need idea with some guidance, I am not really good with physics, sorry about that.

another thing is how actually this internal light to frequency converter works, i really couldn't get proper resource on that, please guide me as well.

Thank you!
 
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The TCS230 does NOT convert the visible light to frequency. It has outputs that put out different frequencies (few kHz to 500 kHz) for various color (red green blue) light illumination. Read the data sheet.
 
If you want to play with different colors to see if you can reproduce the data-sheets "PHOTODIODE SPECTRAL RESPONSIVITY" you could use filters, vary the intensity, and record the frequency output. http://www.edmundoptics.com/" .
 
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