What Gases Are Present in Dwarf Planets and Kuiper Belt Objects?

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The discussion revolves around the types of gases present in dwarf planets and larger Kuiper Belt Objects (KBOs), comparing them to gases found in gas giants. Participants explore the conditions under which these bodies can retain gases and the implications of heating these gases.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Kuiper Belt Objects are primarily rocky, with only the largest capable of retaining any gas.
  • There is a proposal that if larger bodies can hold onto gas, heating them could lead to a thin, unstable atmosphere similar to that of Pluto when it enters Neptune's orbit.
  • One participant mentions that smaller objects do not have gas to begin with, as they rely on gravity to capture any surrounding gas.
  • It is noted that spectroscopic analysis shows some KBOs are dominated by nitrogen ice, methane ice, and other ices, with implications for atmospheric retention.
  • Another participant raises the possibility of larger objects in the Oort Cloud retaining a "Primary atmosphere" of hydrogen and helium, which could have been lost by inner planets during the Sun's early life.
  • There is a correction regarding the identification of Neptune's moon, with one participant clarifying that Triton, not Titan, is the moon in question.
  • One participant questions whether a body could become a comet or asteroid due to the gravitational influence of the Sun.
  • Another participant asserts that KBOs are already classified as asteroids, with the distinction that comets approach the Sun closely.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the retention of gases by KBOs and the conditions that might lead to atmospheric formation. There is no consensus on the specifics of gas retention or the classification of these bodies.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on assumptions about the gravitational capabilities of KBOs and the conditions in the outer solar system, which remain unresolved. The discussion also touches on the stability of orbits in the Kuiper Belt and the characteristics of the Oort Cloud.

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I haven't got an answer to my last post but I've got another question.
What gasses are present in the dwarf planets and other larger kuiperbelt objects?Are they simmilar to the gasses in the gas giant?
 
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Kuiper belt objects are rocks, only the largest would hold onto any gas at all.
Neptune's moon Titan is probably a KBO that got caught - it has a very tiny atmosphere
 
thanks mgb_phys. So, if the larger bodies can hold on to gas, then what would happen to the gas if it was heated sufficiently to "de-frost" it? Would you expect to see something simmilar to Pluto when it slips inside Neptunes orbit (Very thin, unstable atmosphere)?
 
mgb_phys said:
Neptune's moon Titan is probably a KBO that got caught

I think you mean Triton.
 
So, if the larger bodies can hold on to gas, then what would happen to the gas if it was heated sufficiently to "de-frost" it?
It would boil off into space. The smaller objects don't have any gas to start with. Rocks don't come with gas - they rely on their gravity to pick up and hold onto any gas that is around.

Vanadium 50 said:
I think you mean Triton.
Oops - these Greek gods all sound alike!
 
Is it possible by a freak case, if the gravity of the sun closest to this body is strong enough, that the body could become a comet or an asteroid?
 
They already are asteroids.
A comet is just an asteroid that approaches close to the sun, so yes one of these objects could be perturbed by the motion of some other nearby object and become a comet.
But it seems that the orbits in the kuiper belt are for some reason very stable, most comets are produced from a similair but much more distant belt of rocks - the Oort cloud.
 
mikejr82 said:
I haven't got an answer to my last post but I've got another question.
What gasses are present in the dwarf planets and other larger kuiperbelt objects?Are they simmilar to the gasses in the gas giant?

Spectroscopically some KBOs are dominated by nitrogen ice, others by methane ice, and some water or carbon dioxide ices. Neither of the last two have appreciable vapour pressures at the orbit of Neptune and beyond and so don't produce atmospheres on KBOs, but the other two do and so that's what the atmospheres of Triton, Pluto and probably Eris are dominated by. Objects smaller than that are too light to retain the gases even briefly and lose them directly to space.

Theoretically larger objects exist in the Opik-Oort Cloud, thrown out there by the formation and migration of Uranus and Neptune. Mars-to-Earth mass objects might still be out there and they should retain some of what is called the "Primary atmosphere", which is a mixture of hydrogen and helium grabbed straight from the Solar Nebula. The Inner Planets probably all briefly had Primary atmospheres, but lost them to the enhanced Solar-Wind phase of the Sun's early life.
 

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