What generator should I buy for charging 12V battery?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around selecting an appropriate generator for charging a 12V 7AH battery using a wind turbine. Participants explore various battery types, generator specifications, and the challenges of wind turbine design and efficiency.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the initial inquiry about battery type when a 12V 7AH battery is already mentioned, suggesting a misunderstanding of the question's focus.
  • Several battery types are proposed, including sealed lead acid, Nickel Cadmium (NiCd), Nickel-Metal Hydride (NiMH), Lithium Ion, and Lithium Polymer, with lead acid being highlighted for its cost-effectiveness in stationary applications.
  • Participants emphasize the need for electronic control in the charging system, including rectifiers and voltage regulation, due to the variable output of wind turbines.
  • There is mention of a new technology in battery development, specifically solid electrolyte batteries, but no consensus on its applicability to the current discussion.
  • Concerns are raised about the technical knowledge required for wind turbine design, with suggestions that a commercial unit might be more reliable than a DIY approach.
  • Some participants note the importance of matching the generator to the turbine's rotational power and the critical nature of blade design for effective energy generation.
  • There are warnings about the challenges faced by DIY wind energy projects, highlighting the need for realistic expectations and proper matching of components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on battery types and generator specifications, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on the best approach for the project.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of matching components in wind energy systems and the potential for poor performance if not properly aligned. There are also references to the variability of wind conditions affecting turbine efficiency.

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I have to charge a 12V 7AH battery using a wind turbine. For this purpose what kind of battery should I employ?
 
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Manoj Sahu said:
What generator should I buy for charging 12V battery?

Manoj Sahu said:
I have to charge a 12V 7AH battery using a wind turbine. For this purpose what kind of battery should I employ?

First you ask what kind of generator to get and then you ask what kind of battery to get. Please make up your mind what your question is.
 
I'm confused by your question in that you assert you have a 12V 7AH battery so are asking what type of battery?
But I will assume you simply mean you need that many volts and that much stored energy. Those specs fit a sealed lead acid battery. A quick internet search pops up several such with those ratings for e.g. security alarms or security lights supplies. There are of course also in addition to the Lead Acid battery:
  • The Nickel Cadmium (NiCd) battery.
  • The Nickel-Metal Hydride (NiMH) battery.
  • The Lithium Ion battery.
  • The Lithium Polymer battery.
To answer your question more precisely we'd need to get into more specifics of your application and priorities. You have unlimited funds? You need long life? You need high power output? Fast recharge rate? You worried about the environment? Is weight an issue?

For simple and cheap and easy to recharge in a stationary application you're likely going to want to go with lead acid batteries. Most automotive batteries will supply well over 7Ah at 12V.

In any case you ought to read up on the issues with recharging various types of batteries.
The wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechargeable_battery is pretty comprehensive on the various types and their charging issues.

You'll want some bit of electronic control of the charging between the wind turbine and the battery since the turbine output is not uniform. At the very least you'll want a rectifier/diode to prevent the battery from discharging through the generator. You should also use some form of voltage regulation to keep the charging voltage from being too high (especially an issue for the more expensive lithium batteries) and there are cheap circuits that will up the DC voltage to the charging level when the supply is too low. There are a wealth of hits for any web search on the subject.

And if you're willing to wait a bit, there seems to be a new battery coming down the tech pipeline. See the recent buzz about the new solid electrolyte batteries being developed by Goodenough and his team. (Search "Glass Battery" on web).
 
phinds said:
First you ask what kind of generator to get and then you ask what kind of battery to get. Please make up your mind what your question is.
Pardon my mistake. It was a typo error. Actually I was asking regarding the type of generator I should buy for charging 12V 7amp. I am going to connect three blades which are to be used as wind turbine blades. The generator should generate electricity when the blades are rotated.
 
For a static or boating application, I would think a lead acid battery would be best value. You should use a regulator, of course, with some basic speed limiting by short circuit braking. It's debatable and site specific whether you need a sophisticated boost converter to drag a few Coulombs out of the generator when the speed is too low to provide a 'natural' charging voltage. A short burst of stiff breeze can do the work of hours of 'joule thieving' and it's just another thing to go wrong.
Manoj Sahu said:
I am going to connect three blades which are to be used as wind turbine blades.
What do you mean by that? Do you already have a generator (Alternator)? What is its design rotation speed and will your blades be matched to that? The pitch and length of the blades will be fairly critical if your total supply of charge (Ah) is marginal for your requirements. Small turbines often have multiple blades.
 
Manoj Sahu said:
Actually I was asking regarding the type of generator I should buy for charging 12V 7amp.

what sort of battery is it ? sealed lead-acid ? something else as charging methods will vary depending on battery type

if a lead-acid type, then just use an alternator designed for a car
 
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Manoj Sahu said:
Actually I was asking regarding the type of generator I should buy for charging 12V 7amp. I am going to connect three blades which are to be used as wind turbine blades. The generator should generate electricity when the blades are rotated.
The generator should be matched to the turbine. So first you need to determine how much rotational power your turbine can generate to spin a generator.
 
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Manoj Sahu said:
Pardon my mistake. It was a typo error. Actually I was asking regarding the type of generator I should buy for charging 12V 7amp. I am going to connect three blades which are to be used as wind turbine blades. The generator should generate electricity when the blades are rotated.
It strikes (from your comments) me that you don't seem to have a lot of technical knowhow in this field. Wind turbine design is difficult and, unless you live on top of a windy hill, you will need to get things just right if you want this system to work. You would be well advised to buy a commercial unit unless you are just doing this for fun. Turbines, alternators, charge controllers and batteries are all specialist items. If they are not all matched to each other, you can get very poor (or disastrous) performance.
 
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I suspect that there are a lot of garages and sheds around, with bits of Wind Energy projects that never delivered the goods because they were approached with more optimism than knowhow. That will also apply to the projects that have been sold by an over enthusiastic salesman.
It's so dependent on the actual conditions. For instance, you'd think that a wind generator would be just what you want on a Yacht in a good breeze. True - except when your course involves days of running in a high performance yacht with the wind behind you and the turbine has only a few knots of wind to work with for all that time.
 
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