What Happens to Gas Temperature in an Isothermal Expansion?

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In an isothermal expansion scenario, a thermally isolated chamber is filled with air from a low pressure to atmospheric pressure. The surrounding air temperature is 300 K, and the expected gas temperature after the valve closes is calculated to be 420 K. However, confusion arises regarding whether the process is reversible or adiabatic, with participants noting that this is a rapid free expansion, which typically results in no work being done. As a result, the internal energy of the gas does not increase, leading to the conclusion that the temperature cannot rise. The discussion highlights the complexities of thermodynamic processes and the importance of understanding the conditions of expansion.
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Homework Statement


A thermally isolated chamber is pumped down to a very low pressure. At some point, the chamber is vented slowly so that it is filled with air up to atmospheric pressure, whereupon the valve is closed. The temperature of the air surrounding the chamber is T0=300 K. What is the temperature T of the gas in the chamber immediately after the valve is closed. γ=Cp/CV=7/5 for air. (ANS: 420K)


Homework Equations


Has the air done any work? Does low pressure means vacuum?


The Attempt at a Solution


T0/V0=T/V But what is V0?
 
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maurice2705 said:

Homework Statement


A thermally isolated chamber is pumped down to a very low pressure. At some point, the chamber is vented slowly so that it is filled with air up to atmospheric pressure, whereupon the valve is closed. The temperature of the air surrounding the chamber is T0=300 K. What is the temperature T of the gas in the chamber immediately after the valve is closed. γ=Cp/CV=7/5 for air. (ANS: 420K)
I am not clear on the facts. Is the air surrounding the chamber at atmospheric pressure (ie. open to the atmosphere)? If so, there is no change in temperature when it fills up the chamber. I don't see how the temperature of the gas entering the chamber will increase, in any event.

Where did you get this problem?

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
I am not clear on the facts. Is the air surrounding the chamber at atmospheric pressure (ie. open to the atmosphere)? If so, there is no change in temperature when it fills up the chamber. I don't see how the temperature of the gas entering the chamber will increase, in any event.

Where did you get this problem?

AM

yeah it's a werid problem


P1V1gamma = P2V2gamma

if it is reversible and adiabatic, which it should be since you're given gamma?
 
Liquidxlax said:
yeah it's a werid problemP1V1gamma = P2V2gamma

if it is reversible and adiabatic, which it should be since you're given gamma?
But it is not reversible. This is a rapid free expansion as the outside air fills the empty chamber. In any event, it is an expansion. So if any work is done by the gas filling the chamber, the internal energy will decrease. I don't see how temperature can possibly increase.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
But it is not reversible. This is a rapid free expansion as the outside air fills the empty chamber. In any event, it is an expansion. So if any work is done by the gas filling the chamber, the internal energy will decrease. I don't see how temperature can possibly increase.

AM

whoops i missed that, so yeah you're right there is no way the temp could increase. It almost sounds like a similar process in which they liquify hellium
 
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