What Happens when 2 Unlike Charges Approach Each Other Closely?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of two unlike charges as they approach each other closely, specifically considering the implications of Coulomb's law and the physical realities that arise at very small distances. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding point charges and particle interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that as two unlike charges approach each other, they will attract according to Coulomb's law, but questions what occurs when the distance approaches zero.
  • Another participant emphasizes that point charges are idealized and lack spatial extension, suggesting that while the distance can get very small, it cannot be zero.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the concept of annihilation in the case of an electron and a positron, indicating that physical interactions change significantly at close distances.
  • One participant oversimplifies the interaction between an electron and a proton, suggesting it leads to a neutron and neutrino, but this is challenged by another participant who points out the inaccuracies and conservation law violations in that simplification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of point charges and the nature of particle interactions at small distances. There is no consensus on the outcomes of these interactions, particularly regarding the annihilation process and the simplifications presented.

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Limitations include the assumptions about point charges and the complexities of particle interactions that are not fully resolved in the discussion. The implications of conservation laws in particle interactions are also noted but not thoroughly explored.

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Hi everyone,

I was wondering if 2 unlike charges are placed a certain distance d apart, they will attract and move towards each other and the attractive force is given by Coulomb's kq1q2/r^2. Since r cannot be equals to zero as it would imply that the 2 charges exist as the same point in space, there has to be a closest approach of some kind. What then happens when distance r between these 2 charges are extremely close to 0?? Correct me if my reasoning is flawed. Thanks!
 
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Well the limit would be > 0. Anything above zero.

You're trying to think of it as if you're assigning a radius to the charge itself. That is not what a point charge is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_particle
A point particle (ideal particle[1] or point-like particle, often spelled pointlike particle) is an idealized object heavily used in physics. Its defining feature is that it lacks spatial extension: being zero-dimensional, it does not take up space.

Emphasis mine.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/point+charge
an electric charge considered to exist at a single point, and thus having neither area nor volume.

Because they don't have any dimensions, r has to be > zero but it can get as close as it likes.
 
In reality, the physics changes as the two point particles get very close. An electron and and a positron is a real-world example. At some point in their approach, the two will annihilate and produce two photons, usually.

Classically there is a problem. As the two particles approach each other, they will accelerate to infinite speed, producing an infinite energy. Even relativistically, they will approach the speed of light producing an infinite energy.
 
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mrspeedybob said:
To oversimplify... Electron + Proton = Neutron.

For more detail... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture

Unfortunately, this is TOO over simplified that it is wrong. As is clearly stated even in that Wikipedia entry, electron + proton is NOT equal to neutron. Without a neutrino involved, it violates at least one conservation law.

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