What is a safe way to charge myself to 300V?

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The discussion revolves around the safety and methods of charging oneself to approximately 300V using a high voltage DC power supply. Participants explore various approaches, safety precautions, and the context of the inquiry, which relates to electrostatic discharge and measurement techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the safety of charging their body to 300V using a high voltage DC power supply with a current limit set to 10µA and considers using a series resistor.
  • Another participant asks for the context of the question, suggesting that understanding the purpose may clarify safety concerns.
  • A participant shares their experience with electrostatic discharge and previous methods, such as using a Van de Graaff generator, while expressing a need for more quantitative measurements.
  • One participant suggests that charging to 300V may be manageable with proper insulation, DC usage, and a sufficiently large current limiting resistor, while noting that measuring the voltage can be complex.
  • Concerns are raised about insulation methods, with rubber soles mentioned as potentially adequate, but humidity is noted as a factor affecting effectiveness.
  • A participant discusses their experience with building amateur electrometers and expresses a desire for more precision in measurement tools.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of calculating the resistor value correctly to ensure that the current remains below a safe threshold, recommending a minimum of 300 KOhm for 300V to avoid dangerous current levels.
  • One participant acknowledges the advice on resistor calculation and expresses confidence in their ability to limit current output from the supply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the safety of charging oneself to 300V, as participants express varying levels of caution and differing opinions on methods and insulation. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best practices for safety and measurement.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding safety measures, the effectiveness of insulation, and the accuracy of measurement techniques. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and suggestions without definitive conclusions.

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Hi,

I am trying to charge my body to voltages around 300V. I have a high voltage DC power supply; I can set the current limit down to about 10uA. I was also thinking about using a series resistor between me and the output. Is this safe? How safe? Is there a safer way to charge myself !accurately!?

Thanks
 
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seang said:
Hi,

I am trying to charge my body to voltages around 300V. I have a high voltage DC power supply; I can set the current limit down to about 10uA. I was also thinking about using a series resistor between me and the output. Is this safe? How safe? Is there a safer way to charge myself !accurately!?

Thanks

You definitely need to tell us the context of this question.
 
Hi,

I am studying some items related to electrostatic discharge. In the past, I have just walked around on a carpet for a while, or used a Van de Graaff generator to electrify myself. I need to get a bit more quantitative though.

I could just charge myself with the carpet, and use some nice way to measure my voltage, but I don't have the equipment to do this (an electrometer).

Thanks for your help
 
Charging yourself to 300v isn't too much of a problem - assuming you take care to insulate yourself, make sure you are using DC (!) and have a nice big current limiting resistor.

Measuring the voltage is trickier.
The capacitance of a person is typically 100pf. So at 300V you would only have 30nC of charge on you. If you used a high-end Digital meter or scope with 10M input impedance, the time constant would be tiny.
 
What's a good way to insulate myself? I've got rubber soles, is that good enough?

Thanks
 
seang said:
What's a good way to insulate myself? I've got rubber soles, is that good enough?

Thanks

Yeah, that's fine. It depends a bit on the humidity, right? Also, it sounds like an electrometer would be a good project for you to build for all of this, eh?
 
Interesting suggestion; what kind of electrometer would be best to build?

I've built some amateurish electrometers, kinda like the one shown here:

http://amasci.com/electrom/e-field2.html

but that really doesn't offer the precision I need. Where I work, we have also have a rotating electrode type electrometer, but that hasn't satisfied me either.
 
Be sure to calculate the resistor correctly. In no case you should be able to receive more than a few mA. Safest to stay below, say, 1 mA or so (even assuming you're a short to ground). For 300 V you'd need then at least 300 KOhm. Also be sure to have a resistor that can stand the voltage.

From 15 mA onwards, it becomes dangerous.
 
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Be sure to calculate the resistor correctly. In no case you should be able to receive more than a few mA. Safest to stay below, say, 1 mA or so (even assuming you're a short to ground). For 300 V you'd need then at least 300 KOhm. Also be sure to have a resistor that can stand the voltage.

From 15 mA onwards, it becomes dangerous.

Thanks for your input. I am able to limit the current output of the supply, so I should be OK. I will take your suggestion on the resistor anyhow, thanks.
 

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