What is causing low frequency oscillations in LM324 OP-AMP output?

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The discussion centers around the observation of low frequency oscillations (approximately 5 to 10 Hz) at the output of an LM324 operational amplifier when used as an attenuator for a pure DC application. Participants explore potential causes for these oscillations and seek to understand the circuit configuration and measurement methods involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Initial observations of 50 mV low frequency oscillations at the output of the LM324 were reported, prompting inquiries into the cause.
  • Some participants suggest that the circuit configuration, described as a difference amplifier with a gain of 1/5, should not inherently cause oscillations due to the unity gain stability of the LM324.
  • Concerns were raised regarding the power supply, with suggestions to check for bypass capacitors that might mitigate oscillations.
  • Participants noted the importance of circuit layout and component values, indicating that high resistor values could introduce noise and affect performance.
  • One participant proposed removing a capacitor (C93) to test if it contributes to circuit imbalance and noise, while also suggesting balancing measures for common mode cancellation.
  • Questions were raised about the nature of the observed waveform, with one participant asking if it could be classified as noise and requesting further details on the measurement setup.
  • Suggestions included swapping the op-amp to rule out the possibility of a defective component contributing to the noise level.
  • Requests for visual evidence of the circuit layout and waveform were made to better understand the situation and diagnose the issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the cause of the oscillations. Multiple competing views regarding potential sources of the issue, such as circuit layout, component values, and power supply stability, remain unresolved.

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Limitations include the absence of a schematic and physical layout details, which are critical for diagnosing the problem. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the nature of the observed waveform and its classification.

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At output of LM324, 50 mV low frequency (Around 5 to 10 Hz) oscillations were observed when it was used as attenuator for pure DC application...what could be the reason?
 
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ultimateaim said:
At output of LM324, 50 mV low frequency (Around 5 to 10 Hz) oscillations were observed when it was used as attenuator for pure DC application...what could be the reason?

Welcome to the PF.

Could you please post your schematic showing all connections and power supplies, and describe how you made this measurement?
 
it is just difference amplifier with gain of 1/5
 

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You have not post the value of the components. BUT LM324 is unity gain stable, your circuit cannot cause oscillation. It must be something else. For low frequency oscillation, most likely is power supply. Do you have by pass cap on the power supply?

Take a picture of your circuit. Layout is everything, circuit is always very simple. Your circuit has no problem on the schematic.
 
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Value of components are R119 =R110=99k , R112=R117=499k...gain is 1/5 ...it is atteneuator...and input is 3.2 V DC
 
ultimateaim said:
Value of components are R119 =R110=99k , R112=R117=499k...gain is 1/5 ...it is atteneuator...and input is 3.2 V DC

Your resistor value is a little high for my taste unless it is necessary.

this is just a simple differential amp. You have a cap C93 that make the circuit unbalance, take it off and see whether the noise goes away. If you need the cap, you have to put one across R110 to balance to get common mode cancellation. But this is only affecting high frequency end, I don't think this is a problem. But worth a try.

If that don't solve the problem, take a picture. With such high resistance, layout is very critical, long leads in the wrong spot can pick up all sort of noise.
 
Capacitor is Not connected(NC)...is that noise?
what it should be called? I have attached o/p waveform ...Each division is 50 mV...is that noise? what it should be called?
 

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Waveform is captured in CRO AC coupling mode...Even in multimeter oscillation was clearly visible as digits kept on changing...
 
Have you tried swapping the op-amp? Occasionally you get a defective one that "works" but has a high noise level.
 
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I need a picture of your physical circuit. I want to see your layout. The waveform don't look oscillation, it is some noise you pickup.

I also need a scope picture with longer time scale to see the repetition. Tell me the time scale as I can't see it. It looks like some periodic signal from the picture, but need wider time scale to tell.

Picture first, talk is cheap at this point, if you did it right, the circuit should work, no if and buts about it.
 

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