What is cutting lines of force? Elementary Generator

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "cutting lines of force" in the context of single-phase generators, specifically focusing on the operation of a basic generator and the behavior of a rotating armature in a magnetic field. Participants explore the relationship between the orientation of the armature and the electromagnetic induction process, including how the armature's position affects the generation of electromotive force (emf).

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Main Points Raised

  • Red expresses confusion about the concept of cutting lines of force and how the armature's orientation affects this cutting, particularly questioning why it cuts zero lines when perpendicular to the field and more lines when parallel.
  • One participant explains that the armature, being a rectangular loop, does not cut any magnetic field lines when it is parallel to them, and thus generates zero emf at that position.
  • Another participant elaborates that as the armature rotates from the zero-degree position (parallel to the field) to the 90-degree position (perpendicular to the field), it begins to cut through more lines of force, thus generating more emf.
  • Red proposes that movement in the zero position generates no emf because the wire is not cutting through new lines, while movement from the 90-degree position generates the greatest emf due to cutting through different surfaces.
  • A later reply questions the definition of the zero position, suggesting that if it is defined as when the armature is perpendicular to the lines of force, then Red's understanding aligns with that definition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the zero position and its implications for emf generation. While there is some agreement on the behavior of the armature in relation to the magnetic field, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise definitions and implications of these positions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the zero position and the definitions of cutting lines of force. The relationship between armature movement and emf generation is not fully resolved, and participants rely on visual diagrams for clarification.

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I was reading this article on Wikipedia about single phase generators and the operation of a basic generator, and I'm having a very difficult time understanding what is meant by cutting lines of force and how the rotating armature being perpendicular to the field cuts zero lines. While when it is parallel, it cuts the most.

How does it manage to be in the field without cutting any lines to begin with? How is it cutting more lines when it's parallel?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-phase_generator#

I'm actually a physics major and have already taken physics 2 (basic E&M) as well as calc 3 so I'm familiar with flux integrals and Maxwell's Equations if that helps you to explain it. I'm not sure what I'm missing because I feel like I should understand this already.

Thank you,
Red
 
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THe armature in the diagram is a rectangular loop of wire. The mag field lines run parallel from N to S. The sides of the rectangle that are the far and near ends rotate in a plane that is parallel to the mag field lines, and hence never cut any lines. When the rectangle is parallel (perpendicular) to the mag field lines - ie horizontal (vertical), as shown in the picture - the straight 'out' and 'in' sides of the rectangle are moving respectively directly up (to the left) and directly down (to the right), and hence are moving perpendicular (parallel) to the mag field lines, and hence cutting the maximum (minimum - ie zero) number per second of them.
 
andrewkirk said:
THe armature in the diagram is a rectangular loop of wire. The mag field lines run parallel from N to S. The sides of the rectangle that are the far and near ends rotate in a plane that is parallel to the mag field lines, and hence never cut any lines. When the rectangle is parallel (perpendicular) to the mag field lines - ie horizontal (vertical), as shown in the picture - the straight 'out' and 'in' sides of the rectangle are moving respectively directly up (to the left) and directly down (to the right), and hence are moving perpendicular (parallel) to the mag field lines, and hence cutting the maximum (minimum - ie zero) number per second of them.

Thank you. I think I understand now. So from the initial zero degree position, when the armature is set in motion, the long arms of the conductor are moving mostly parallel to the field lines and is going along with the same line or surface more so than cutting into different ones. Then as it approaches 90 degrees it is moving with a greater perpendicular component to the field lines and is thus cutting through different ones more than dragging along the same one. In effect, you want movement perpendicular to the field direction.

If I understand this right, this would imply that moving the wire left and right in the zero position would generate no emf as it is being dragged along the same surfaces instead of cutting through new ones. Whereas moving up and down from the 90 degree position would generate the greatest emf because it is cutting through a different surface with every bit of movement. Do you agree?
 
RedDelicious said:
Do you agree?
It depends what is marked as the zero position. If that is the position when the plane of the armature rectangle is perpendicular to the lines of force (ie the armature rectangle is vertical, in the linked diagram) then that is correct. Given that definition, the armature shown in the diagram is close to the 90 degree position.
 
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