What is Gauss' Law for Dielectrics and How Does it Account for Polarization?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Gauss' Law for dielectrics, particularly how it accounts for polarization and bound charges within different geometrical configurations, such as solid and hollow spheres. Participants explore the implications of polarization on the application of Gauss' Law in various scenarios, including boundary conditions and the behavior of electric fields in dielectrics.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation ∇·ε0E = ρbound + ρfree and discusses its implications, suggesting that Gauss' Law for dielectrics may only hold under specific conditions, such as within solid, spherically symmetric dielectrics.
  • Another participant argues that the divergence of polarization corresponds to bound charge density and emphasizes the importance of boundary conditions between vacuum and dielectric, noting the discontinuity of the electric field due to induced boundary charges.
  • A participant questions the applicability of Gauss' Law in the region between the inner and outer surfaces of a hollow sphere, citing the presence of bound surface charges that complicate the derivation.
  • In response, another participant asserts that Gauss' Law can still be applied by considering the total enclosed charge and subtracting contributions from smaller interior surfaces, regardless of the shapes involved.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether the principle of enclosed charge applies to non-standard shapes, suggesting it might only be valid for spheres or infinite cylinders.
  • A later reply clarifies that Gauss' Law holds for all closed surfaces, stating that the integral only accounts for enclosed charge, regardless of the surface shape.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the conditions under which Gauss' Law for dielectrics is applicable, particularly in relation to the presence of bound charges and the geometry of the surfaces involved. Multiple competing views remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific geometrical configurations and the treatment of bound charges, which may not be fully addressed in the derivations presented. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of these factors.

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Inside a dielectric we have:

∇\cdotε0E = ρbound + ρfree , where ρbound refers to the fact that these charges come from polarization.

We can write this as:

∇\cdotε0E = -∇\cdotP + ρfree

where P is the polarization of the material. And combing the two divergence terms we get:

∇\cdotD = ρfree

which is Gauss' law for dielectrics which is quite useful sometimes. However wouldn't it only hold for solid, spherically symmetric, dielectrics, where you consider r<R. My speculation comes from the fact that this derivation does NOT consider the bound surface charges than a polarization can result in. This is of course of no problem if you are inside a solid sphere, but I don't see how it wouldn't be a problem in every other case.
 
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I don't quite understand your reasoning here, the divergence of the polarization is the bound charge density. For example, if you look at the boundary conditions between say vacuum and dielectric. The displacement field is continuous (assuming no free charges) and the electric field is discontinous. The discontinuity in the electric field arises from the boundary charges that are induced and of course we see that this must be facilitated by the polariation field for the displacement field to be continuous.
 
well consider a hollow sphere with inner radius a and outer radius b. According to theory of polarization bound charges will accumulate both on the inner and outer surface of the sphere. So could you use Gauss' law in the region where a<r<b? Certainly not right? Since there are bound surface charges inside any sphere with radius bigger than a, which are not accommodated for in the above derivation of Gauss' law for D.
 
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well consider a hollow sphere with inner radius a and outer radius b. According to theory of polarization bound charges will accumulate both on the inner and outer surface of the sphere. So could you use Gauss' law in the region where a<r<b? Certainly not right? Since there are bound surface charges inside any sphere with radius bigger than a, which are not accommodated for in the above derivation of Gauss' law for D.

Yes you can. Gauss's law is linear so you can take the total (enclosing all) and subtract a smaller interior sphere (enclosing the inner surface).

I can't vouch for the above derivation but the shapes of the surfaces don't matter as long as they are closed. The extension to multiply connected domains can be made in the way I laid out above.
 
hmm so you mean that if I am inside some weird-shape closed surface with a uniform surface charge then I won't register the field from the surface charges? hmm.. Wouldn't that only hold for a sphere or an infinite cylinder?
 
No, it holds for all closed surfaces. The Gauss integral registers only the enclosed charge. The surface could be shaped like an Alien facehugger. If the charge is inside its right hanging sack it will be counted in the integral. If the charge is under one of its knuckles (say on your forehead) then it will contribute zero to the integral.
 

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