What is Image Rejection Ratio (IRR)

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The discussion centers around the concept of Image Rejection Ratio (IRR) in radio communications, including its definition, calculation methods, and practical examples. Participants explore both theoretical aspects and specific calculations related to IRR, particularly in the context of superheterodyne receivers.

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  • Some participants define the Image Rejection Ratio as the ratio of the intermediate-frequency signal level produced by the desired input frequency to that produced by the image frequency, typically expressed in dB.
  • One participant requests a formula for calculating IRR and presents a specific example involving a superheterodyne receiver with a given intermediate frequency and Q-factor.
  • Another participant provides a link to external resources containing example calculations for IRR.
  • Some participants report calculating an IRR of -23.7 dB, while others express uncertainty regarding the negative sign and the interpretation of the results.
  • There is a discussion about the correct formula for converting values to dB, with some participants confirming that 20 * log10(voltage ratio) is appropriate for voltage comparisons.
  • Confusion arises regarding the distinction between dB and dBm conversions, prompting requests for clarification on when to use each.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition and calculation methods for IRR, but there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of the negative dB result and the specifics of converting to dB versus dBm. The discussion remains unresolved on these points.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential typos in the example calculations referenced, which may affect the accuracy of the results. There is also mention of varying interpretations of the formulas used for conversions.

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What is Image Rejection Ratio (IRR)
and How to calculate an Image Rejection Ratio (IRR)?
 
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This is from Wikipedia:

In radio, the image rejection ratio, or image frequency rejection ratio, is the ratio of (a) the intermediate-frequency (IF) signal level produced by the desired input frequency to (b) that produced by the image frequency.

The image rejection ratio is usually expressed in dB.

When the image rejection ratio is measured, the input signal levels of the desired and image frequencies must be equal for the measurement to be meaningful.
 
What is an formulae for Image Rejection Ratio?
Can anyone solve this for clarification...
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Suppose, if a superheterodyne receiver with an IF of 3.1 MHz is tuned to receive a carrier of 78 MHz and the radio frequency tuning stage has a Q-factor of 100. What is the Image Rejection Ratio (IRR) in dB?

Given is |Vo/Vi| = 1/ Sqrt [1+Q2 (wo/w -w/wo)2]
 
There are some example calculations here:

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=coQ6ac-fh6QC&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=image+rejection+ratio+formula&source=bl&ots=qCD2xD0a67&sig=YM0Yz18hM3hO21trQX-utAqmFag&hl=en&ei=oxoJTs6mBZHsvQOM-uzWDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=image%20rejection%20ratio%20formula&f=false

They calculate the reciprocal of what your formula would give.

You calculate it in dB by taking 20 * log ( voltage ratio).

I plugged your numbers in and it seems to work OK. I can confirm if your result is the same as mine if you like.
 
After substituting all values I got -23.7 dB, Kindly let me know was it the same for you or anything else is your answer varun. Thank you so much for your links and support.
 
Where can I get an eBook of Communication Engineering By A.P.Godse U.A.Bakshi, It seems it is very good one's and alare so clearly written in it. Thanks and Thank you so much...
 
Yes, I got 23.7 dB too. Not sure about the negative sign. The definition seems to say that it should be a the log of a number greater than 1. In this case the book formula gives 15.33 as the voltage ratio.

I don't know about that book. It is on Google books.

You could try Amazon.

I hope you noticed the typo in the first example. They had a "*" instead of a "+" sign. The formula was right but the calculation was wrong, although the answer was right. So, it was a simple typo.
 
Are you sure of converting something in dB is about 20xlog10(0.065) or 10xlog10(0.065). Also I'm confused slightly in converting in dB and dBm of any value so can you please clarify me in what should we use when converting to dB and dBm
 
Yes, 20 log10(voltage ratio) is correct.

Decibels are only ever concerned with comparing ratios of power.
If you have two powers, you can compare them in dB by using the formula:

10 log10(power ratio)

For the special case where you know two voltages across the same impedance, you can use the 20 log10(voltage ratio) formula to get the power ratio between them in dB.
The 20 in the formula takes care of the squaring of voltages you would normally do to work out the powers.

There are a lot of special units where you compare the power you have with some reference.
It might be milliwatts, microwatts or something else.
There is a list of them here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel

You just use them the same way as above except that one of the measurements is already decided for you and you provide the one you have measured.
 

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