What is so special about TWO PORT NETWORKS

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The discussion revolves around the significance of two-port networks in electronics, exploring their representation of various components and the implications of using such models. Participants question the nature of two-port networks and their applications, as well as the existence of other types of networks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the prevalence of two-port networks in literature and questions the implications of components that do not fit this model.
  • Another participant explains that many electronic components can be represented as two-port networks, allowing for cascading to derive a final transfer function.
  • It is noted that data sheets for transistors often present parameters in terms of S-parameters or H-parameters, which are forms of two-port networks.
  • A participant raises a question about the existence of other types of networks, specifically three-port networks, and seeks clarification on how components like resistors and capacitors can be cascaded when they appear to have only two ports.
  • There is a suggestion that for two-port systems, there should be two inputs and two outputs, with specific grounding conditions for the signal to be present on the remaining terminals.
  • A later reply encourages reviewing the definition of two-port parameters and suggests working through an example with Z parameters to better understand the concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit uncertainty regarding the definition and application of two-port networks, with some confusion about how components can be cascaded. Multiple viewpoints are presented without a clear consensus on the nature of two-port systems or the existence of other network types.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the definitions and applications of two-port parameters, as well as the conditions under which components can be cascaded. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in electronics, particularly those exploring circuit design and the modeling of electronic components.

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Why is there so much talk about two port networks in books and stuff I don't fully understand, what happens if a thing is not two port?
 
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Because a lot of the electronic components can be represented by 2 port network and with that, you can cascade them together and get the final transfer function. Resistors, capacitors, inductor and transistors can all represent as 2 port networks of various kind.

Also a lot of data sheets of transistors are given as S-parameters or H parameters(remember hoe is like beta of transistor?). Those are two port networks.
 
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hmm, what other type of networks do we have anyway? 3 port networks?
Wait Resistors and Capacitors e.t.c have only 2 ports, so how can we cascade them? One input port and one output port.
For 2 port systems we need to have 2 inputs and 2 outputs right, where one input and one output is grounded and the actual signal is present on the remaining input/output terminal right?
 
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hmm, what other type of networks do we have anyway? 3 port networks?
Wait Resistors and Capacitors e.t.c have only 2 ports, so how can we cascade them? One input port and one output port.
For 2 port systems we need to have 2 inputs and 2 outputs right, where one input and one output is grounded and the actual signal is present on the remaining input/output terminal right?

You have to look at the definition of the particular 2 port parameters. Read this first and then come back:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-port_parameters

Pick one easy one like Z parameter and fit a resistor in series or shunt and work out the Z11, Z12, Z21 and Z22.
 

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