What is the difference b/w cos(lnx) and cosxlnx? integration by parts

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function ∫cos(lnx) dx, with participants exploring the differences between cos(lnx) and cosxlnx. The subject area includes integration techniques, particularly integration by parts and substitution methods.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various approaches to integrating cos(lnx), including the use of integration by parts and u-substitution. There is confusion about the correct assignment of u and dv, with some questioning the validity of initial setups. Others suggest alternative methods, such as expressing the integral in terms of complex exponentials.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's proposed methods. Some have offered guidance on potential substitutions and integration techniques, while others express confusion about the initial setups. There is no explicit consensus, but productive suggestions have been made.

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Participants note the complexity of the calculations involved and the potential for confusion between different interpretations of the integrand. There is mention of the teacher's advice regarding the integration process, indicating that there may be constraints or preferences in the methods used.

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Ok I have to integrate -->∫cos(lnx) dx. could I use cos =U, -sinx=du, dv=lnxdx, v = 1/x

I know the difference technically, but in this situation it is kinda weird.
because the formula f(x)g(x)= uv-∫vdu. I thinking if they were number like 9(3) it would equal 27 so f(g) = f times G? but then that would mean ∫cos(lnx)dx = ∫cosxlnxdx . Which I don't think is right.

last guess: could you do cos(lnx)= U, -sinx(lnx) times (1/2) dx = du, DV = lnxdx, v =1/x

So I'm confused.

I asked by teacher, because my first taught was to do U-substituion then integrate by parts. She said that would work, but it would end up being a lot of ugly calculations. and that you could just integrate by parts directly. So if you could explain that, that would nice.
 
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randoreds said:
Ok I have to integrate -->∫cos(lnx) dx. could I use cos =U, -sinx=du, dv=lnxdx, v = 1/x

What do you mean by cos = u? Do you mean u = cos(ln(x))? Then du isn't sin(x). And cos(ln(x)) is not the product of cos and ln(x) so your integrand is not udv. A long winded way of saying what you have written is nonsense.

Try u = cos(ln(x)) and dv = 1 dx and see where that goes. You may have to do parts more than once.
 
I think you can use a trick:

I = \int \cos \ln x ~ dx = \displaystyle{\mathcal{Re}} \left(\int e^{i\ln x} ~dx\right)
 
LCKurtz said:
What do you mean by cos = u? Do you mean u = cos(ln(x))? Then du isn't sin(x). And cos(ln(x)) is not the product of cos and ln(x) so your integrand is not udv. A long winded way of saying what you have written is nonsense.

Try u = cos(ln(x)) and dv = 1 dx and see where that goes. You may have to do parts more than once.


I mean't cos(x) then du = -sintheta. But that was totally wrong! you had the right substitution. I tried u = cos(ln(x)) and dv =dx. It worked out quite nicely. I only had to integrate it twice! Thanks
 

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