What is the direction of the magnetic field from a wire with current?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the direction of the magnetic field generated by a straight wire carrying current. Participants explore the application of the right hand rule, the conventions used to describe magnetic field direction, and the implications for forces on charges within the field.

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Main Points Raised

  • Jordan questions the direction of the magnetic field around a wire with current, noting a discrepancy between their understanding using the right hand rule and a video that suggests a different direction.
  • One participant explains that the direction of the magnetic field varies depending on the observer's position relative to the wire, emphasizing that magnetic field lines do not have endpoints.
  • Another participant suggests that describing the magnetic field direction as clockwise or anticlockwise is more helpful than using left or right.
  • A clarification is made regarding the perspective from which one views the wire, indicating that the magnetic field flows clockwise when looking from the positive terminal and anticlockwise from the negative terminal.
  • It is noted that the right hand rule can be used to determine the direction of force on positive charges, while negative charges require inverting that direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best way to describe the direction of the magnetic field, with some advocating for clockwise/anticlockwise terminology while others use left/right. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific direction of the magnetic field as it depends on the observer's position.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of specifying the viewpoint when discussing the magnetic field direction, indicating that assumptions about the observer's position can lead to different interpretations.

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Hi everyone,

If I have a current going up a straight wire, and use the right hand rule (the one where you stick your thumb up and curl your other four fingers), then the magnetic field is in the right direction, correct (my fingers curl to the right)? However, according to this video: It's to the left. Which one is correct?
also...

If the magnetic field is to the right, then could I use the other right hand rule to find the direction of the force? And, since the charges are negative, would I have to invert that result?

Thanks,

Jordan
 
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The direction of the field would depend on which area of the wire you are looking at. If you look to it's right, you will see the field going left, and if you look to the left of the wire, the field will go right. There isn't just a single direction a magnetic field goes in like electric fields; the magnetic field lines do not have end points since they meet themselves always. The right hand rule tells you which direction they curl in, so if you view different parts of the wire's neighborhood, you will see different directions, but the curling direction will be the same (shown by your wrapping fingers).

Yes, you can use the other rule to find the direction of force for positive chargers. Negative charges require you to invert the direction of force.
 
It's more helpful to describe the direction as clockwise or anticlockwise rather than left or right.
 
When I said what direction is the magnetic field flowing, I meant by convention, as in, if it's flowing clockwise, then if I wanted to use the other right hand rule, what direction would I point my middle finger (which represents the magnetic field)?
 
Dadface said:
It's more helpful to describe the direction as clockwise or anticlockwise rather than left or right.
Yes, but you also have to state which end of the wire you're looking from.

If you look down the wire so that the current is flowing away from you (e.g. from the positive terminal) the the magnetic field flows clockwise arround the wire.

If you look down the wire so that the current is flowing toward from you (e.g. from the negative terminal) the the magnetic field flows anticlockwise arround the wire.

To use the right hand rule, point your thumb in the direction of the current. Then your fingers, wrapped arround the wire, show the direction of the magnetic field (from the base of your palm to the tips of your fingers).
 

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