What is the equation for determining the magnitude of a vector in 2D space?

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The discussion revolves around the equation used to determine the magnitude of a vector in 2D space. Participants explore the relationship between vector components and their magnitudes, questioning the validity of a specific equation presented in the context of engineering applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the equation $$u=v_1 \cdot \cos\theta + u_2 \cdot \sin\theta$$ is used in their engineering class but expresses confusion about its derivation from Pythagorean theorem.
  • Another participant questions the application of the equation, suggesting it may only apply to the summation of components from different vectors rather than a single vector's magnitude.
  • A different participant asserts that the equation does not provide the magnitude of the vector but rather the component of the vector in a specific direction defined by the angle $\theta$.
  • One participant attempts to clarify the equation by rewriting it and substituting definitions for the components, leading to a tautological statement that reinforces the original equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the equation for determining the magnitude of a vector, with some asserting it does not represent the magnitude while others defend its use in a specific context. The discussion remains unresolved.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made about the equation's applicability, particularly regarding whether it pertains to a single vector or the summation of multiple vectors. The derivation and geometric interpretation of the equation are also not fully clarified.

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Homework Statement


For any vector in 2D space, it can be broken down into its horizontal and vertical components.

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In one of my engineering classes, we are using the following equation to determine the magnitude of a vector:

$$u=v_1 \cdot cos\theta +u_2 \cdot sin\theta$$

Where $\theta$ is the angle with respect to the horizontal, v1 is the horizontal component and v2 is the vertical component of the vector.

I know this equation works but I don't understand why.
I feel like I am missing a fundamental concept, because to determine the magnitude of a vector, I would use Pythagoras theorem, and I cannot derive the above equation from Pythagoras's equation.

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Can you provide some context for where this equation is applied? Perhaps give a specific example.

In general, this equation will not work for a single vector whose x and y components are ##u_1## and ##u_2##. Perhaps they are summing the horizontal components of two different vectors to obtain a net horizontal resultant?
 
That equation doesn't give the magnitude of the vector. It gives you the component of the vector in the direction of ##\hat n = \cos\theta\,\hat i + \sin\theta\,\hat j##.
 
CivilSigma said:
In one of my engineering classes, we are using the following equation to determine the magnitude of a vector:
u=v1⋅cosθ + u2⋅sinθ​

Where $\theta$ is the angle with respect to the horizontal, v1 is the horizontal component and v2 is the vertical component of the vector.

I know this equation works but I don't understand why.

It comes from geometry... See this diagram... If that's not clear do say and I will explain some more.

Magnitude of Vector.png
 

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I think you meant to write the equation as $$u=u_1\cos{\theta}+u_2\sin{\theta}\tag{1}$$where $$u_1=u\cos{\theta}\tag{2}$$and$$u_2=u\sin{\theta}\tag{3}$$If you substitute Eqns. 2 and 3 into Eqn. 1, you get:
$$u=u\cos^2{\theta}+u\sin^2{\theta}=u$$
 
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