What is the force exerted by a falling rope on a scale with two components?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the force exerted by a falling rope on a scale, considering two components of force. The rope, with mass M and length L, is released, and after a length x has fallen onto the scale, the challenge is to determine the scale's reading. The initial attempts involve using momentum equations and the relationship between mass, velocity, and time, but there are concerns about not fully addressing the two-component force aspect. The conversation suggests using the net force equation and incorporating the mass of the falling section to derive the correct expression for the force on the scale. Ultimately, the goal is to express the force in a way that accurately reflects both components involved in the scenario.
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Homework Statement


A uniform flexible rope is suspended above a scale, with the bottom of the rope just touching the scale (gravity points downward). The rope has a length L and a total mass of M. The mass is uniformly distributed along it's length.

The rope is released. After a length x<L has fallen onto the scale, what does the scale read? Assume the scale can measure the force applied to it instantaneously. (Hint: the force exerted by the rope on the scale has two components).

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The Attempt at a Solution


F=dp/dt
p=m*t
m(t)=(M/L)*v(t)
so p(t)=(M/L)*(v(t)^2)
=(M/L)*(g^2)*(t^4)/4
thus dp/dt=(M/L)*(g^2)*t^3

also, x(t)=g(t^2)/2--> t=sqrt(2xg). plug that into the eqn for dp/dt, and get
F(x)=dp/dt=(M/L)*(g^2)*(2xg)^(3/2).

However, that solution doesn't treat the problem with a force of two components, nor do the units seem to work out. Any ideas?
 
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Let M=mass, L=length of the rope, v=velocity

You have to express in component form,
F_{net} + \frac{dm}{dt}v=m\frac{dv}{dt}
= F_{n} - mg+\frac{dm}{dt}v=0 (Eq 1), then

\frac{dm}{dt}=\frac{-M}{L}v (*), where dm=mass of the section of the rope that falls on the scale.

Substitute (*) back into (Eq 1) and find v using v^2=v_{0}^2+2a\Delta y
Then find F_n
 
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