What is the Formula for Calculating the Length of Cable Hanging Over a Table?

  • Thread starter Thread starter TopCat
  • Start date Start date
AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on calculating the length of a cable hanging over a table as it falls under gravity. The initial formula proposed is x = |-x0 - 0.5gt²| for t < √[2(L-x0)/g], transitioning to x = L for t ≥ √[2(L-x0)/g]. A textbook alternative solution x = x0 Cosh[√(g/L) t] is questioned, with participants suggesting that a differential equation approach may be necessary to derive it. Key points include the importance of considering the entire mass of the cable and the forces acting on it. The conversation highlights the complexity of the problem and the need for a deeper understanding of the physics involved.
TopCat
Messages
55
Reaction score
0
Here's the problem:
A perfectly flexible cable has length L. Initially, the cable is at rest, with a length x0 of it hanging vertically over the edge of a table. Neglecting friction, compute the length hanging over the edge after a time t. Assume that the sections of the cable remain straight during the motion.

The way I see it, the solution will be a formula such that after a certain time t', the solution of the formula is always L, since after t' all of the cable has fallen off of the table. Ignoring a finite L, the physics of the problem should lead to
x = |-x0 - .5gt²|, where x is the length of cable hanging over the edge. Setting x equal to L I see that t' = √[2(L-x0)/g]. Therefore I have as a solution the piecewise formula:

x = |-x0 - .5gt²| for t < √[2(L-x0)/g]
X = L for t ≥ √[2(L-x0)/g]

The textbook, on the other hand, has x = x0 Cosh[√(g/L) t]. I don't have the foggiest idea how they ended up with with solution, unless I missed something big and fundamental. A push in the right direction is greatly appreciated.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You're assuming the acceleration of the system is g which it isn't. Draw yourself a free body diagram to see what is happening. You're going to end up solving some sort of differential equation I gather.
 
Let M be the mass of the cable. Then its density is M/L (I'm assuming it is uniform).
The force pulling the cable off the table is the weight of the portion hanging down: the mass of that portion is (M/L)x and the force is (M/L)xg. The mass used in
"m d2x/dt2= F" is the entire mass: M d2/dt2= (M/L)xg so d2x/dt2= (g/L)x (notice this is not "-" since the chain falling will increase x).
 
Ah, thanks for the replies, guys.
 
TL;DR Summary: I came across this question from a Sri Lankan A-level textbook. Question - An ice cube with a length of 10 cm is immersed in water at 0 °C. An observer observes the ice cube from the water, and it seems to be 7.75 cm long. If the refractive index of water is 4/3, find the height of the ice cube immersed in the water. I could not understand how the apparent height of the ice cube in the water depends on the height of the ice cube immersed in the water. Does anyone have an...
Thread 'Variable mass system : water sprayed into a moving container'
Starting with the mass considerations #m(t)# is mass of water #M_{c}# mass of container and #M(t)# mass of total system $$M(t) = M_{C} + m(t)$$ $$\Rightarrow \frac{dM(t)}{dt} = \frac{dm(t)}{dt}$$ $$P_i = Mv + u \, dm$$ $$P_f = (M + dm)(v + dv)$$ $$\Delta P = M \, dv + (v - u) \, dm$$ $$F = \frac{dP}{dt} = M \frac{dv}{dt} + (v - u) \frac{dm}{dt}$$ $$F = u \frac{dm}{dt} = \rho A u^2$$ from conservation of momentum , the cannon recoils with the same force which it applies. $$\quad \frac{dm}{dt}...
Back
Top