What Is the Maximum Angle for a Projectile to Always Increase Its Distance?

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum launch angle for a projectile to ensure its distance from the firing point continuously increases. Participants explore the mathematical approach by setting the derivative of distance with respect to time greater than zero. They discuss the complexities of solving the resulting equations and the significance of ensuring no real roots exist in the quadratic form derived from the distance equation. A specific angle of 73° is mentioned as an example, illustrating how angles too large lead to a decrease in distance. The conversation emphasizes the need for a solution that yields a consistent increase in distance, independent of initial velocity.
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Homework Statement


"What is the maximum angle above the horizontal with which a projectile can be
fired so that its distance from its point of firing (on earth) is always increasing?"
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Homework Equations


r^2=t^2 v^2 Cos[x]^2 + (-4.905 t^2 + t v Sin[x])^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried setting dr/dt > 0 so that the distance is always increasing as well as I have also tried setting
dr^2/dt > 0. However, I don't know how to solve the equation after getting to this point(mathematica doesn't help either as it says there is no method for solving that equation with Solve[]). Or even if that is what I'm supposed to do
 
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What did your work look like when you set dr/dt>0. This sounds like the right approach.
Based on what you have above, carrying out the squaring of the polynomial and combining the (sin^2 + cos^2 ) terms should give the form below.
## r^2 = t^2 v^2 \cos^2 x + 4.905^2t^4+t^2v^2\sin^2 x - 9.810t^3 v \sin x ##
##r^2=t^2 v^2+ 4.905^2t^4- 9.810t^3 v \sin x##
 
That is the same that I got. The derivative I get is 2v^2t+3vgt^2sin(theta)+g^2t^3 which I set equal to 0 then solve for theta and get theta=arcsin[(-g^2t^3-2v^2t)\(3vgt^2)]
 
If you plot an example ##r^2(t)## for the case where your angle x is bound to be too large then you'll get a curve that looks something like this:

Fig1.gif

(For the plot I assumed an initial velocity of 1 m/s and chose a launch angle of 73°. The plot covers the trajectory from launch to time of landing assuming level ground)

What needs to happen in order to make that downslope portion (where the distance-squared is decreasing) go away?
 
Don't plug in a numerical value for g, it just makes the numbers messy.
Apart from that, you can follow gneill's idea or see at which point the definition of theta found in post 3 does not work any more.
 
RUber said:
##r^2=t^2 v^2+ 4.905^2t^4- 9.810t^3 v \sin x##
Taking the derivative with respect to time will give t( quadratic ).
When you are want a function to always be positive, you are saying that there will be no real roots, or that the stuff inside the square root in the quadratic equation will always be less than or equal to zero.
This should allow you to get a numerical value for x that does not depend on v.
 
Just in case anyone was wondering, I tried a different method and was able to get an answer. starting with that statement that if
| r(t_final) | > | r(t) | then dr/dt>0
 
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