What is the maximum perimeter for a rectangle inside an ellipse?

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The problem involves finding the maximum perimeter of a rectangle inscribed within an ellipse defined by the equation x² + 4y² = 1. The rectangle is symmetrically placed, with its corners touching the ellipse.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use Lagrange multipliers to find the maximum perimeter by setting up a function and its constraints. Some participants suggest parameterizing one corner of the rectangle to simplify the problem. Others discuss expressing y in terms of x and optimizing the perimeter based on the coordinates derived from the ellipse equation.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem, including parameterization and optimization techniques. There is recognition of potential errors in the calculations of partial derivatives, and some participants are questioning the correctness of their differentiation steps.

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There is an emphasis on symmetry in the rectangle's placement and the need to adhere to the constraints imposed by the ellipse's equation. Participants are also considering the implications of the rectangle's orientation relative to the coordinate axes.

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Homework Statement



A rectangle is placed symmetrically inside an ellipse (i.e. with all four corners
touching the ellipse) which is defined by:

[tex]x^{2} + 4y^{2} = 1[/tex]

Find the length of the longest perimeter possible for such a rectangle.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Firstly rearranged the given equation:

[tex]x^{2} + 4y^{2} = 1 \implies x^{2} + 4y^{2} - 1 = 0[/tex]

Then stated the equation for the perimeter of the rectangle:

[tex]P = 2x + 2y[/tex]

Hence need to extremise:

[tex]f(x,y) = 2x + 2y[/tex]

.. on the ellipse:

[tex]g(x,y) = x^{2} + 4y^{2} - 1 = 0[/tex]

Therefore:

[tex]F(x,y,\lambda) = f + \lambda g = 2x + 2y + \lambda\left(x^{2} + 4y^{2} - 1\right)[/tex]

Then calculate partial derivatives:

[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} = 2 + 2y + \lambda\left(x^{2} + 4y^{2} - 1\right) = 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial y} = 2 + 2x + \lambda\left(x^{2} + 4y^{2} - 1\right) = 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial \lambda} = 2x + 2y + \left(x^{2} + 4y^{2} - 1\right) = 0[/tex]

Now I need to look for 'consistent solutions' (i.e. values for x, y, \lambda) within those equations, but I'm a bit stuck with that now :frown:
 
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How about you parameterize only one corner of the rectangle? It will be sufficient to define the whole rectangle and you only meed to move the point along the ellipse.
 
? :confused: ?
 
The equation for (half an) ellipse is [tex]\frac{x^2}{a^2}+\frac{y^2}{b^2}=1[/tex], where a and b are the lengths of the axes and given in the problem, but I will generalize here. Expressing y in terms of x shouldn't be a problem.

From here, assign, say, the upper right corner an x value which is bounded to [0,a]. Get the y-value from the expression above and you have the coordinates of your first corner of the rectangle. Per restriction of symmetry the sides of the rectangle will be parallell to the coordinate axes. You now have enough information to obtain the perimeter of the rectangle. Optimize.
 
Hart said:
Therefore:

[tex]F(x,y,\lambda) = f + \lambda g = 2x + 2y + \lambda\left(x^{2} + 4y^{2} - 1\right)[/tex]

Then calculate partial derivatives:

[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} = 2 + 2y + \lambda\left(x^{2} + 4y^{2} - 1\right) = 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial y} = 2 + 2x + \lambda\left(x^{2} + 4y^{2} - 1\right) = 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial \lambda} = 2x + 2y + \left(x^{2} + 4y^{2} - 1\right) = 0[/tex]

Now I need to look for 'consistent solutions' (i.e. values for x, y, \lambda) within those equations, but I'm a bit stuck with that now :frown:


I think there's a calculation error at partial differentiation..
[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial x}[/tex]
should be [tex]2 + \lambda\left(2x\right)[/tex]
 
Thought I may have made a mistake with calculations of the partial derivatives :frown:

So, should be then:

[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} = 2 + 2x\lambda = 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} = 2 + 2y\lambda = 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} = \left(x^{2} + 4y^{2} - 1\right) = 0[/tex]

.. correct?
 
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