What is the meaning of 'float' in electronics measuring instruments?

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The discussion revolves around the meaning of the term 'float' as used in electronics measuring instruments. Participants explore its implications in various contexts, including safety, grounding, and signal referencing.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that 'floating' typically means not connected electrically, referencing floating inputs in CMOS gates and floating logic grounds.
  • Others explain that in measurement instruments, a "floating" terminal is one that is not connected to safety ground (Earth), with examples from oscilloscopes and BNC connectors.
  • One participant notes that while many instruments connect ground terminals to Earth for safety, there are exceptions where equipment may have isolated BNC connectors.
  • Another participant describes a floating signal in the context of operational amplifiers, indicating that the output is floating relative to the input and supply terminals.
  • Concerns are raised about the legality of selling wall-powered instruments with floating BNC connectors, emphasizing safety regulations that require accessible metallic parts to be grounded.
  • Some participants mention that double insulated instruments may not need to connect external metal parts to Earth ground, providing examples of portable oscilloscopes.

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Participants express differing views on the implications and definitions of 'float' in various contexts, indicating that multiple competing interpretations remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include references to safety regulations, grounding practices, and specific examples of equipment, but there are unresolved questions about the applicability of these practices across different instruments.

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I am reading the manuals of an electronics measuring instrument, in which the term 'float' is repeated several times. Can anyone explain this term?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Floating usually means not connected electrically. So you can have floating inputs to CMOS gates where the pins have not been connected to any other part of the circuit (a bad thing in general), or you can have a circuit whose logic ground is floating with respect to Earth ground.
 
If it is a measurement instrument a "floating" terminal is a terminal NOT connected to safety ground (i.e. earth).
In many instruments (e.g. most oscilloscopes and ALL instruments with BNC connectors) the ground terminals are connected to Earth (this is due to safety regulations, there is no real "physical" reason).
 
f95toli said:
If it is a measurement instrument a "floating" terminal is a terminal NOT connected to safety ground (i.e. earth).
In many instruments (e.g. most oscilloscopes and ALL instruments with BNC connectors) the ground terminals are connected to Earth (this is due to safety regulations, there is no real "physical" reason).

Not necessarily. I can't recall for sure where, but I have seen equipment with BNC connectors that are isolated from conduit ground.
 
Generally floating also refers to a signal that is not with reference to the same ground that is creating the signal. To make it clear let me illustrate, in a opamp the output is floating as it is not with reference to the input Vin, but is in reference to the V+ and V- of the supply terminals of the opamp.

This also prevents loading the source (Vin) but that's another story.
 
Averagesupernova said:
Not necessarily. I can't recall for sure where, but I have seen equipment with BNC connectors that are isolated from conduit ground.

Maybe it was a "custom made" instrument? Or, it was not BNC but triax (or twinax, or another "BNC-like" connector)?
It would is illegal in most (all?) countries to sell a wall-powered instruments with floating BNC connectors. There is no real "electrical" reason for this (except safety), but the rules say that all accessible metallic parts of an instrument (including the enclosure, all external screws etc) must be connected to earth.
Differential oscilloscopes generally use TWO BNC connectors for each channel.
 
f95toli said:
It would is illegal in most (all?) countries to sell a wall-powered instruments with floating BNC connectors. There is no real "electrical" reason for this (except safety), but the rules say that all accessible metallic parts of an instrument (including the enclosure, all external screws etc) must be connected to earth.

The exception to this rule is if the instrument uses "double insulated" construction. Then the external metal pieces do not need to be connected to Earth ground. For example, when a portable oscilloscope is powered with its wall transformer adapter, the metal shells of the coax connectors for the scope probes are floating with respect to Earth ground. With some care, the "ground" clips of portable scope probes can be connected to either hot or neutral in AC Mains measurements.
 

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