What is the process of losing a hydrogen and forming an ionic bond called?

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The discussion centers around the chemistry of glutamate and its transformation into monosodium glutamate (MSG) through ionic bonding with sodium ions (Na+). The initial question involves the terminology used when glutamic acid loses a hydrogen ion (H+) and whether this process can be classified as oxidation. Participants clarify that losing a hydrogen ion does not equate to oxidation or reduction in the conventional sense, as the hydrogen ion does not carry electrons away from the molecule. The conversation also touches on acid-base reactions that produce salts, highlighting that dissociation in these reactions does not imply a redox process. The distinction is made that strong acids and their conjugate bases do not involve charge transfer, further emphasizing that the dissociation of compounds like NaCl should not be interpreted as a redox reaction.
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Hi,

I'm having a brain fart. Consider the amino acid glutamate (glutamic acid):

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->

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When it forms an ionic bond with Na+ to make MSG, the glutamic acid loses it's hydrogen on the right side. Is it that it was "oxidized"? Or what do we call the process where it loses the hydrogen and is then able to form an ionic bond? And what is the driving force for this reaction?
 
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Are you familiar with acid - base reactions that produce salts ?

Na OH + H Cl ---> Na+ Cl- + H2O

This is an exothermic reaction as for the driving force.
 
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Another keyword: dissociation.
 
Thank you. I'm many years out of college now and just barely remember how this works. :)
 
No losing a hydrogen cation is always a reduction because the hydrogen leaves but doesn't take any electrons with it, which means more electrons for the molecule.
 
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No losing a hydrogen cation is always a reduction because the hydrogen leaves but doesn't take any electrons with it, which means more electrons for the molecule.

Absurd. Especially in the case of strong acids electron is already strongly bound to the conjugate base, so there is no charge transfer and dissociation has nothing to do with reduction nor oxidation.

Using the same way of thinking NaCl dissociation is also a redox reaction.
 
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