What is the proof that periods cancel out in finding angular displacement?

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The discussion revolves around the cancellation of periods in the context of angular displacement and Kepler's Third Law, which states that the square of a planet's orbital period is proportional to the cube of its orbit radius. Participants seek clarification on why periods can be canceled algebraically in the equations presented. The relationship is established by introducing a constant of proportionality, allowing the fractions of orbital radius and period to be set equal to each other. This proportionality holds true for any pair of planets, as demonstrated by Kepler's empirical findings and later proven by Newton's gravitational theory. The conversation emphasizes the mathematical foundation behind these relationships in celestial mechanics.
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Bashyboy said:

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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120411050123AA0ar9P


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Only I have one question concerning the answer that "E" provides in the link: why do periods cancel out?


Are you referring to this section of the solution?:

(θ_x)(T_x) = (θ_y)(T_y) = (θ_y)(T_x / √27)

The periods cancel, so

(θ_x) = (θ_y) / √27​

The center expression, "(θ_y)(T_y)", is just an intermediate step, and "(T_y)" is then replaced by "(T_x / √27)" to yield the relationship

(θ_x)(T_x) = (θ_y)(T_x / √27)

T_x occurs on both sides of the equality and can be canceled algebraically.
 
Actually, there is something before that, that I don't quite understand. Why are we allowed to set up this proportion (I never really understood proportions, so perhaps you could help me understand):

\frac{r_x^3}{T_x^2} = \frac{r_y^3}{T_y^2}?
 
Bashyboy said:
Actually, there is something before that, that I don't quite understand. Why are we allowed to set up this proportion (I never really understood proportions, so perhaps you could help me understand):

\frac{r_x^3}{T_x^2} = \frac{r_y^3}{T_y^2}?

That's an application of Kepler's Third Law: for all planets, the square of the period is proportional to the cube of the orbit radius, or ##T^2 \propto r^3##.
 
Well, what confuses me is, how is the left-side of the equation equal to the right-side?
 
Bashyboy said:
Well, what confuses me is, how is the left-side of the equation equal to the right-side?

Write the two proportionalities as equalities by introducing a constant of proportionality:

##r_x^3 = k T_x^2##

##r_y^3 = k T_y^2##

Now rearrange:

##\frac{r_x^3}{T_x^2} = k##

##\frac{r_y^3}{T_y^2} = k##

Both fractions equal k, so set them equal to each other.
 
So, both fractions always equal the same constant, no matter which pair of planets are being considred? Why is that so?
 
Bashyboy said:
So, both fractions always equal the same constant, no matter which pair of planets are being considred? Why is that so?

Kepler found the relationship empirically, hence his third law.

When Newton came along and developed his theory of gravity, he proved Kepler's relationship using it and his other laws.
 
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Okay, so there several proofs of this fact. Thank you for indicating that.
 
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