What is the proof that x, x^2, x^3 form a basis of V?

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The discussion revolves around proving that the vectors x, x², and x³ form a basis for a vector space V. Participants explore concepts of linear independence and spanning sets within the context of polynomial functions.

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  • Some participants propose testing for linear independence by setting a linear combination of the vectors equal to zero and analyzing the implications for the coefficients. Others question whether certain assumptions about the form of polynomials can be made without proving them first.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the structure of polynomials and the requirements for linear independence and spanning. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions and definitions, particularly regarding the forms of polynomials in relation to the vector space.

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Some participants note the importance of understanding the implications of polynomial degrees and the conditions under which certain terms must be zero to satisfy the properties of the vector space. There are references to specific polynomial forms and the implications of the zero vector in the context of linear combinations.

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Homework Statement



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The Attempt at a Solution


I propose the vectors x,x^2,x^3 form a basis of V. To test for linear independence, let 0 = a_1 x + a_2 x^2 + a_3 x^3, where a \in R. A polynomial is 0 iff all of its coefficients are zero. Thus, linear independence is proved. That is, a_1 = a_2 = a_3 = 0

To prove that x,x^2,x^3 spans V, let p(x) = b_1 x + b_2 x^2 + b_3 x^3 \in V, where b \in R. We need numbers c_1,c_2,c_3 such that b_1 x + b_2 x^2 + b_3 x^3 = c_1 x + c_2 x^2 + c_3 x^3. This implies b_1 = c_1, b_2 = c_2, b_3 = c_3. Thus, p(x) = c_1 x + c_2 x^2 + c_3 x^3 and clearly p(0) = c_1 (0) + c_2 (0) + c_3 (0) = 0. Therefore, x,x^2,x^3 span V.

Am I doing this right?
 
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This is the second part of the question:

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I began with \int \frac{d}{dx} p(x) dx = 0x + c_1, where c_1 \in R. Thus, I reasoned that p(x) must be of the form: c_1 + 0(x) + 0(x^2) + 0(x^3). A polynomial is zero iff all of its coefficients are zero. c_1 must necessarily equal zero in order for the zero vector to result. Thus, linear independence is proven. To show that c_1 spans S, let p(x) = b_1 + 0(x) + 0(x^2) + 0(x^3) \in S, where b_1 \in R. We need p(x) = b_1 = c_1. This implies b_1 = c_1. So p(x) = c_1 and clearly \frac{d}{dx} p(x) =\frac{d}{dx} c_1 = 0. Thus, c_1 spans S.

Man, I don't think I'm doing these right...
 
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TranscendArcu said:

Homework Statement



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The Attempt at a Solution


I propose the vectors x,x^2,x^3 form a basis of V. To test for linear independence, let 0 = a_1 x + a_2 x^2 + a_3 x^3, where a \in R. A polynomial is 0 iff all of its coefficients are zero. Thus, linear independence is proved. That is, a_1 = a_2 = a_3 = 0

To prove that x,x^2,x^3 spans V, let p(x) = b_1 x + b_2 x^2 + b_3 x^3 \in V, where b \in R. We need numbers c_1,c_2,c_3 such that b_1 x + b_2 x^2 + b_3 x^3 = c_1 x + c_2 x^2 + c_3 x^3. This implies b_1 = c_1, b_2 = c_2, b_3 = c_3. Thus, p(x) = c_1 x + c_2 x^2 + c_3 x^3 and clearly p(0) = c_1 (0) + c_2 (0) + c_3 (0) = 0. Therefore, x,x^2,x^3 span V.

Am I doing this right?
In the second part, you can't assume p(x) has the form ##b_1 x + b_2 x^2 + b_3 x^3## right off, otherwise you're assuming what you're trying to prove. When you say ##p(x) \in V##, you know that p is a polynomial and that p(0)=0. From what you know about polynomials, you should be able deduce that p(x) has the form required, from which it follows that p(x) is in the span of {x, x2, x3}.
 
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Okay. Can I assume that p(x) has the form b_0 +b_1 x + b_2 x^2 + b_3 x^3? But, clearly p(0) cannot equal zero unless b_0 = 0, which immediately gets us to the required form.

Is that better?
 
Yes, that's fine. Because you know V is a subspace of P3 and presumably you know that {1, x, x2, x3} is a basis for P3, you can write p(x) in that form.
 
This is the last problem. I need only find a basis.

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I propose that the vectors 1,x^2 form a basis for W. To prove linear independence, we write, 0 = a_0 + a_2 x^2 where a \in R. A polynomial is zero iff all coefficients equal zero. To prove that 1,x^2 span W let p(x) = b_0 + b_1 x + b_2 x^2 + b_3 x^3, but b_1 = b_3 = 0 otherwise condition fails. We need numbers c_0, c_2 such that b_0 +b_2 x^2 = c_0 +c_2 x^2. This implies that b_0 = c_0 and b_2 = c_2. Thus p(x) = c_0 + c_2 x^2 in which case \forall x p(x) = p(-x), as desired. Thus 1,x^2 form a basis for W.
 
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This is the last problem. I need only find a basis.

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I propose that the vectors 1,x^2 form a basis for W. To prove linear independence, we write, 0 = a_0 + a_2 x^2 where a \in R. A polynomial is zero iff all coefficients equal zero. To prove that 1,x^2 span W let p(x) = b_0 + b_1 x + b_2 x^2 + b_3 x^3, but b_1 = b_3 = 0 otherwise condition fails.
You should go into more detail about why you must have b1=b3=0.

We need numbers c_0, c_2 such that b_0 +b_2 x^2 = c_0 +c_2 x^2. This implies that b_0 = c_0 and b_2 = c_2. Thus p(x) = c_0 + c_2 x^2 in which case \forall x p(x) = p(-x), as desired. Thus 1,x^2 form a basis for W.
This part is unnecessary. After you show that b1=b3=0, you know that p(x)=b0+b2x2. Since it's a linear combination of 1 and x2, it's in the span of {1, x2}.
 
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Should I say something like:

If p(x) = p(-x) then it follows that all of the n-degree components of p(x) should be equal to their respective n-degree components of p(-x). However, clearly this can't be so since x ≠ -x (in the first degree) and (x)3 ≠ (-x)3 (in the third degree). Thus, in order to preserve the equality of the condition, it is necessary to zero these terms.

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TranscendArcu said:
This is the second part of the question:

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I began with \int \frac{d}{dx} p(x) dx = 0x + c_1, where c_1 \in R. Thus, I reasoned that p(x) must be of the form: c_1 + 0(x) + 0(x^2) + 0(x^3). A polynomial is zero iff all of its coefficients are zero. c_1 must necessarily equal zero in order for the zero vector to result. Thus, linear independence is proven. To show that c_1 spans S, let p(x) = b_1 + 0(x) + 0(x^2) + 0(x^3) \in S, where b_1 \in R. We need p(x) = b_1 = c_1. This implies b_1 = c_1. So p(x) = c_1 and clearly \frac{d}{dx} p(x) =\frac{d}{dx} c_1 = 0. Thus, c_1 spans S.
You made a slight error. You showed that p(x)∈S has the form p(x)=c1. The basis vector is 1, not c1, i.e. p(x) = c11. You want to show the vector 1 spans S, not c1 as you said.

Since you've already shown that p(x)∈S implies p(x)=c1=c11, you're done because you've shown that p(x) can be written as a linear combination of the set of vectors {1}.
 
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Should I say something like:

If p(x) = p(-x) then it follows that all of the n-degree components of p(x) should be equal to their respective n-degree components of p(-x). However, clearly this can't be so since x ≠ -x (in the first degree) and (x)3 = (-x)3 (in the third degree). Thus, in order to preserve the equality of the condition, it is necessary to zero these terms.

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It would be more straightforward to let ##p(x) = b_0 + b_1 x + b_2 x^2 + b_3 x^3## and calculate g(x)=p(x)-p(-x). Then show that g(x)=0 implies b1=b3=0.
 

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