What is the purpose for frequency?

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The discussion revolves around the purpose and significance of frequency in electrical systems, particularly in the context of alternating current (AC) versus direct current (DC). Participants explore various aspects of frequency, including its role in voltage and current, the historical context of AC and DC, and the implications of different frequency standards in electrical systems.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the fundamental purpose of frequency in relation to voltage and current, seeking clarification on its significance in AC systems.
  • There is a suggestion that the choice of frequency, such as 60Hz in the U.S. versus 50Hz in Australia, may be influenced by historical and financial factors rather than purely scientific reasons.
  • One participant notes that capacitance and inductance are functions of frequency, indicating a technical relationship that may affect circuit behavior.
  • Another participant highlights the advantages of AC over DC, particularly in the context of transformers, which only operate with alternating waveforms and are essential for efficient power transmission.
  • It is mentioned that higher frequencies can lead to increased transmission losses, but in specific applications like aircraft, higher frequencies (e.g., 400Hz) may be used to reduce component size and weight.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of DC transmission, particularly regarding voltage transformation, and how advancements in technology may address these issues in the future.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the purpose and implications of frequency in electrical systems, with no clear consensus reached. The discussion includes both exploratory questions and technical explanations, indicating a mix of agreement on certain technical aspects while remaining unresolved on broader questions of purpose and standards.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the historical context of AC and DC, the technical implications of frequency on circuit behavior, and the practical considerations in power transmission. Specific mathematical or technical details are not fully resolved, leaving some points open for further exploration.

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So I have taken AC circuit analysis and electronics and stuff, but I was wondering what purpose frequency. Why its used with voltage and current.
 
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That's a pretty broad question. Tell us what you know.
 
johnbrown11 said:
So I have taken AC circuit analysis and electronics and stuff, but I was wondering what purpose frequency. Why its used with voltage and current.

Do you mean why do we commonly use alternating current instead of direct current?
 
capacitance and inductance are functions of frequency
 
DaveC426913 said:
Do you mean why do we commonly use alternating current instead of direct current?

That and for example why we use 120V @ 60hz. Why the 60hz? Why not say..80hz? I am just a little confused on what the purpose it is for in AC or its function in electrical systems.
 
johnbrown11 said:
So I have taken AC circuit analysis and electronics and stuff, but I was wondering what purpose frequency. Why its used with voltage and current.
Edison and Tesla had big arguments about the advantages of AC vs. DC. See

http://muller.lbl.gov/teaching/Physics10/old%20physics%2010/physics%2010%20notes/Electrocution.html

Part of the advantage of AC was that transformers could be used (The transformer was invented in 1860 by Antonio Pacinotti). Edison thought DC was less dangerous (electrocution).

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When you use transmission lines to take power from the coal fired power stations (which have to be built near large bodies of cooling water, and preferably near coal deposits) a transformer (two inductors) can step up the voltage (from the 11kV generators to say 22kV or 500kV or whatever) which steps down the current. The current causes the most problems in heat and loss of efficiency, so the bigger the voltage, the smaller the current, the less losses.

Transformers only work based on an alternating waveform (AC) and not at all on a direct waveform (DC).

Transformers are specially oriented inductors with a large lump of metal between them, which is much easier to design and build than the complicated semiconductor based electronics required to efficiently step up or step down DC waveforms.

Not all countries use 120V @ 60Hz. Australia uses 240V @ 50Hz for example. I would hazard a guess at the reasons being financial rather than scientific ('its how its always been done and its too hard to change now' + legacy equipment).

@ post #4: Capacitance and inductance are functions of geometry, capacitive and inductive reactance are functions of frequency.
 
Higher frequency than 50 / 60 Hz involves more transmission losses but, in Aircraft, I believe, they use (or used to) 400Hz because smaller components can be used (weight factor) but the distances involved are small.
DC transmission losses are lower but you have no easy way of voltage transformation. That may well change as technology advances, however - it's already done where there is no alternative.
 

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