What is the solution to a multiple integral problem using polar coordinates?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral using polar coordinates, specifically transforming the integral of a function defined over a triangular region with vertices at (0,0), (1,0), and (1,1). Participants are tasked with showing the equivalence of the integral in Cartesian coordinates to its polar form.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the transformation to polar coordinates and the correct setup of integration boundaries. There are questions regarding the limits of integration for both r and θ, as well as the correctness of the Jacobian used in the transformation.

Discussion Status

The conversation has led to clarifications about the integration boundaries in polar coordinates, with some participants confirming their understanding of how these boundaries relate to the geometry of the triangle. There is ongoing exploration of methods to solve the integral, with hints and suggestions being exchanged, although no consensus on a final approach has been reached.

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Participants note confusion regarding the integration limits in polar coordinates, particularly how they relate to the vertices of the triangle. There is also mention of the need for trigonometric identities in the integration process.

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Homework Statement



By transforming to polar coordinates, show that

[tex]I = \int\int_{T}\frac{1}{(1+x^2)(1+y^2)}dxdy = \int^{\pi/4}_{0}\frac{log(\sqrt{2}cos(\theta))}{cos(2\theta)}d\theta[/tex]

where T is the triangle with successive vertices (0,0),(1,0),(1,1).


Homework Equations



[tex]I = \int\int_{K} f(x,y)dxdy = \int\int_{K'} g(u,v)*J*dudv[/tex]

where J is the Jacobian.

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The Jacobian is r, as always with a transformation to polar coordinates, so we get that

[tex]I = \int^{1}_{0}\int^{x}_{0}\frac{1}{(1+x^2)(1+y^2)}dydx = \int^{\pi/4}_{0}\int^{\sqrt2}_{1}\frac{r}{(1+r^2cos^2(\theta))(1+r^2sin^2(\theta))}drd\theta[/tex]

Firstly, is this correct? Secondly, if it is, could you give me a hint as to how to solve it to get the answer given? The obvious thing seems to be to split it into partial fractions, but I did try this once and didn't seem to get anywhere?

Thanks!
 
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The transformation of coordinates looks correct, but you may want to check your integration boundaries. The triangle is "standing on it's tip" so for x = 0 you want to integrate y from 0 to 1, etc. In polar coordinates then, r doesn't run from 1 to [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]: it always starts at 0 but it only runs to [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] for [itex]\theta = \pi / 4[/itex].

It may help if you draw the triangle.
 
Sorry I've just realized i got the coordinates of one of the vertices of the triangle muddled up. It should be (0,0),(1,0),(1,1) not (0,0),(0,1),(1,1) which i originally wrote.

The integration boundaries in polar coordinates do confuse me. With the correct vertices, surely r=1 at [itex]\theta = 0[/itex] and [itex]r=\sqrt{2}[/itex] at [itex]\theta = \pi / 4[/itex]. So these are my boundaries? Or am I misunderstanding it?

Thanks.
 
kidsmoker said:
The integration boundaries in polar coordinates do confuse me. With the correct vertices, surely r=1 at [itex]\theta = 0[/itex] and [itex]r=\sqrt{2}[/itex] at [itex]\theta = \pi / 4[/itex]. So these are my boundaries?

Yes, you are correct about those values. But let's suppose that the theta integration is the outer one and the r-integration the inner one. That means that for every value of theta you will have to do the r-integral. So if [itex]\theta = 0[/itex] then r should run from 0 to 1, and if [itex]\theta = \pi / 4[/itex] then r should run from 0 to [itex]r=\sqrt{2}[/itex]. If [itex]\theta = \pi / 8[/itex] then r runs from 0 to ... ?

It is precisely analagous to the expression
[tex]I = \int^{1}_{0}\int^{x}_{0}\frac{1}{(1+x^2)(1+y^2)} dy dx[/tex]
you gave: when you do the inner integration over y, your x is fixed. You can pretend that you are walking along the x-axis, and for each point there doing the y-integral. However the upper boundary for y depends on what the "current" value of x is, so you have to integrate y from 0 to x and not from 0 to 1, despite the fact that y runs to 0 for x = 0 and y runs all the way to 1 for x = 1.

Do you understand?
 
Ah okay... I think i see now. So I should have wrote

[tex]I = \int^{1}_{0}\int^{x}_{0}\frac{1}{(1+x^2)(1+y^2)}dy dx = \int^{\pi/4}_{0}\int^{\sqrt2}_{0}\frac{r}{(1+r^2cos^2(\theta ))(1+r^2sin^2(\theta))}drd\theta[/tex] ... ?
 
No, the point I was trying to make is that instead of [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex], you should have something which depends on [itex]\theta[/itex] - just like you have an x as integration boundary in the first form.
 
Ahh, i see! Right so it should be

[tex]I = \int^{1}_{0}\int^{x}_{0}\frac{1}{(1+x^2)(1+y^2)}dy dx = \int^{\pi/4}_{0}\int^{1/cos\theta}_{0}\frac{r}{(1+r^2cos^2(\theta ))(1+r^2sin^2(\theta))}drd\theta[/tex]

I'm still left unable to solve the integral though :-( Any tips for the best method to use?

Thanks!
 
kidsmoker said:
Ahh, i see! Right so it should be

[tex]I = \int^{1}_{0}\int^{x}_{0}\frac{1}{(1+x^2)(1+y^2)}dy dx = \int^{\pi/4}_{0}\int^{1/cos\theta}_{0}\frac{r}{(1+r^2cos^2(\theta ))(1+r^2sin^2(\theta))}drd\theta[/tex]
Very good, that's what I had in mind too :smile:

kidsmoker said:
I'm still left unable to solve the integral though :-( Any tips for the best method to use?

Thanks!

Yes, that was a bit of a problem for me too... the easiest way I see would be something like this:
First substitute [tex]x = r^2 \cos\theta \sin\theta[/tex] and write the integral in the form
[tex]\int_0^{\cdots} \frac{1}{x^2 + a x + b} \, dx = \int_0^{\cdots} \frac{1}{(x - x_1)(x - x_2)} \, dx[/tex]
then note that this integral is equal to
[tex]\frac{\log(x + a) - \log(x + b)}{b - a}[/tex].
In principle it looks easy, but prepare your trig identities... you will need them :sad:
 
Ah okay cool. I managed to do it using the substitution t=r^2 and then splitting it into partial fractions. Was a bit long-winded but got the right answer.

Thanks!
 

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