What is the solution to the diagonal garden path problem?

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The discussion revolves around the diagonal garden path problem, where participants explore the length of a diagonal path that is 1 yard wide in a garden measuring 55 yards by 40 yards. The conversation includes attempts to clarify the geometry of the path and the implications of its width, as well as various approaches to solving the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the path as a diagonal that is slightly off from the true diagonal due to its width and the garden's dimensions.
  • Another participant questions the dimensions of the rectangle being referenced, suggesting a misunderstanding regarding the path's width and trajectory.
  • A participant clarifies that the path is a parallelogram with its acute corners on the corners of the garden, and its width is measured perpendicular to its long faces.
  • There is a suggestion to modify the garden's dimensions to analyze the remaining shape, leading to a discussion about the resulting geometry.
  • One participant proposes an area equation to find the length of the path, leading to a numerical solution that is debated and refined by others.
  • Another participant points out an error in the previous calculations, indicating that the solution must be greater than 55 yards.
  • A later reply highlights a simple geometric relationship that leads to the solution, contrasting with the complexity of the earlier equations.
  • One participant expresses confusion over the complexity of the problem despite arriving at a simple solution, suggesting a philosophical approach to problem-solving.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the interpretation of the path's geometry and the calculations involved in determining its length. Multiple competing views remain on the correct approach to solving the problem, and the discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the geometry of the path and the implications of its width. The discussion includes various mathematical steps that are not fully resolved, leading to different interpretations of the problem.

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I found this problem in Erwin Brecher's "Journey through Puzzleland" and I find it baffling. There is a garden 55 yards by 40 yards. There is a diagonal path through the garden 1 yard wide. How long is the path? Notice that it is not quite a 40-55-11-root-185 diagonal because ALTERNATE "corners" of the path terminate on the corners of the garden: that is, you enter and leave the garden on the "long" sides (the 55's). So the trajectory of the path is just slightly off from the true diagonal. If you draw the garden in "landscape" perspective, the path is just a little steeper. I hope I've described it well enough.

The problem I'm having is that I can grind out the solution by brute force, but in fact it turns out to be a very simple solution. I just can't find an easy way of getting it. Any ideas?

Marty
 
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Do you mean that the path is on the diagonal of a 54 x 40 yard rectangle?
 
jimmysnyder said:
Do you mean that the path is on the diagonal of a 54 x 40 yard rectangle?

No, that path wouldn't be one yard wide. The width of the path is measured perpendicular to the trajectory of the path.
 
monish said:
No, that path wouldn't be one yard wide. The width of the path is measured perpendicular to the trajectory of the path.
Do you mean that the path is 1 yard wide and is on the diagonal of a 54 x 40 yard rectangle that sits within the 55 x 40 yard garden?
 
No. The path is a long thin parallelogram with its acute corners on the corners of the 55x40 rectangle. The short faces of the parallelogram lie on the long edges of the rectangle. The transverse width of the parallelogram measured normal to its long faces is 1 yard.
 
OK. Now cut away the top half yard and the bottom half yard of the garden. What is left?
 
If I do as you suggest I am left with an elongated hexagon whose greatest dimension is the hypotenuse of a 54-40 right triangle. But this hypotenuse is not the length I am after; the line which it traces is not parallel to the long faces of my original parallelogram.
 
monish said:
the line which it traces is not parallel to the long faces of my original parallelogram.
When I drew it, it was parallel. I'm not sure that I understand the problem. Is there any way you could draw a picture?
 
Here is a picture (attempt to attach bmp file:)
 

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Thanks. Now I see my error.
 
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Answer is hidden.

Remove the path (say of length x) from the garden, we have the area equation
(55)(40) - x = 2 \sqrt{x^2 - 40^2} (40)
and that gives x = 48.202 yards.[/color]
 
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To Doodle:

Your method is OK but you have an extra factor of 2 somewhere. In any case you can see that the answer must be greater than 55.
 
  • #13
Oops, it should have been:

Remove the path (say of length x) from the garden, we have the area equation
(55)(40) - x = \sqrt{x^2 - 40^2} (40)
and that gives x = 66.67 yards.[/color]
 
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67.2
 
  • #15
You are close, but Doodle had the exact answer of 66.666 which you can see if you hilite the white text in the previous message. In fact, this number arises from a very simple 3-4-5 geometry which I was unable to notice until after I saw the answer. What baffled me was the idea that you needed to solve such a difficult quadratic equation to arrive at such a simple solution. I have the general idea that if there is a simple answer, there should be an easy way of getting there. This philosophy doesn't seem to work with this problem.

I now have an idea why the equation appears so complicated when the solution ends up being so simple. If anyone is interested in my thoughts I will elaborate.

Marty
 

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