What is the Tension Force and Charge of Two Separated Balls in Equilibrium?

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The problem involves two balls of mass 500 mg each, suspended by strings and separated due to equal and opposite charges, forming a 60-degree angle with the ceiling. The objective is to determine the charges and the tension force in the strings while ensuring equilibrium.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the forces acting on the balls, including gravitational and Coulomb forces, and expresses confusion regarding the calculated tension force compared to the textbook answer. Some participants question the accuracy of the mass conversion and the calculations leading to the gravitational force.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify calculation errors and the validity of the textbook answers. Participants are exploring different methods to calculate the tension force and are sharing their results, with some expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches.

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There is a noted discrepancy in the mass conversion from milligrams to kilograms, and participants are discussing the implications of rounding numbers early in calculations. The original poster seeks independent verification of the results to determine if the textbook contains errors.

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Homework Statement



Two balls, each with a mass of 500 mg, are attached to the same point in the ceiling by strings with the length of 40 cm. The balls have been given equal and opposite charges, which caused them to separate in a way that the strings formed a 60-degree angle. Find the charges and the tension force in the string. Make a sketch.

The answers ought to be
q=~0,2*10-6 C
Ft=~0,0044 N

Homework Equations



Fg=mg
FC=kq1q2/d2

The Attempt at a Solution



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An equilateral triangle is formed with the strings, so the distance between the balls is also
d=40cm=0,4m

Gravitational force on a ball
Fg=mg=~5*10-3 N (g=9,8 m/s2)

In order for equillibrium to be reached, the component vector of gravity, which is at a right angle with the string, must be equal to the component vector of Coulomb's force, which is also at a 90o with the string.
That component vector of gravity is
Fg1=Fg*cos60o=2,5*10-3

So if FC=kq1q2/d2, then

Fg1=FC*cos30o, from which we get that
FC=5*sqrt3*10-3/3 N
and that
q1=q2=~0,2*10-6 C

So far it seemed to me that everything went correctly, but I don't get the tension force to be 0,0044 N. Using sines and cosines on Fg and FC, or Pythagoran theorem for that matter, I got

Ft=Ft1+Ft2
Ft1=cos30o*Fg=5*sqrt3*10-3/2
Ft2=cos60o*FC=2,5*sqrt3*10-3/3
Ft=~0,0058 N

Now I've seen many mistakes in answers in this textbook, but I am not so sure it's the textbook which has a fault in it this time. So please tell me, did I go wrong and where, or is the answer in the textbook once again wrong?

(I didnt mark up all the angles, but they should be pretty easy to figure out. If you don't understand some of my calculations or think they are wrong, be sure to shout out or ask!)

Thanks in advance
 
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You made calculation errors. m=500 mg=0.5 kg. g=9.8. Force of gravity is 4.9 N.
Do not round off the numerical results too early.

ehild
 
500 milligrams is equal to 0.0005 kg. So I can't have made a mistake there.
The reason I rounded them up so early (I'm usually pretty precise) is because the answer given in the back is always calculated that way. I was just trying to get a close answer.

Thanks in advance
 
I would really appreciate if someone would solve the problem independently to see what answers they get. If they match with the book's, I must have made a theoretical error somewhere (I don't think its a calculation error since I've checked the numbers twice). If they match with my answers, it must be the book what contains the error.
I hope it's not too much to ask.

What confuses me though, is that the charge I get matches with the book's answer.

Thanks in advance
 
fawk3s said:
500 milligrams is equal to 0.0005 kg. So I can't have made a mistake there.


The reason I rounded them up so early (I'm usually pretty precise) is because the answer given in the back is always calculated that way. I was just trying to get a close answer.

Thanks in advance

Sorry, I made the mistake!:redface:Your calculation is correct (althought I do not like that early rounding)

It is an other way for the calculation using the right triangle made of the forces of gravity, Coulomb force and tension.


ehild
 
ehild said:
It is an other way for the calculation using the right triangle made of the forces of gravity, Coulomb force and tension.


ehild

What you mean is I've made a mistake on calculating the magnitude of the tension? Could you specify please? Because I seem to miss it.

fawk3s
 
fawk3s said:
What you mean is I've made a mistake on calculating the magnitude of the tension? Could you specify please? Because I seem to miss it.

fawk3s

No, your calculation is right. But there is an easier way to get it:

T=mg/cos(30°), (and tan(30°)=Fc/mg; )

ehild
 
Oh, alrighty. But does this mean you got the same answer, and I have to assume the textbook is wrong? Sorry, just have to ask again for confirmation.
 
I have got the same answer:Tension=4.9x10-3/cos(30°)=5.7x10-3 N.

ehild
 
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Thank you for your help ehild, I really appreciate it. :smile:
 

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