What is the Transpose of Y = Sin(x) + Cos(x)?

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The discussion revolves around finding the transpose of the equation Y = Sin(x) + Cos(x) to express x in terms of y. Participants explore various mathematical approaches, identities, and transformations related to trigonometric functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially proposes x = arccos(arcsin(y)) / 2 but expresses uncertainty about its correctness.
  • Another participant questions the value of y^2 and later clarifies that it should be divided by 2.
  • A detailed derivation is provided, showing that y^2 = 1 + 2sin(x)cos(x) leads to x = (sin^{-1}(y^2 - 1)) / 2.
  • Participants mention trigonometric identities, including sin(2x) = 2 sin x cos x and sin^2(x) + cos^2(x) = 1, as foundational knowledge.
  • One participant transforms the original equation into y = √2 sin(x + π/4) and suggests this form can also be used to solve for x.
  • Another participant inquires about transposing a more general form Y = a sin(x) + b cos(x) and expresses difficulty finding relevant identities.
  • A later reply introduces the R Formulae, stating that a sin x + b cos x can be expressed as R sin(x + alpha) and suggests this could help in solving for x.
  • One participant reflects on the need to understand the underlying concepts rather than just seeking answers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to express x in terms of y, and multiple approaches and identities are discussed without resolution.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the transformations presented. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific trigonometric identities and assumptions about the coefficients in the equations.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in trigonometric identities, transformations, and solving equations involving sine and cosine functions.

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Hi Guys, Simple question; I'm trying to work out the transpose of Y = Sin(x) + Cos(x) to make x the subject. I thought it would be x = arccos(arcsin(y)) / 2 however I don't think that's right. Is there another theorem I'm missing?
 
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what's y^2?
 
that is meant to be divided by 2
 
y = sin(x) + cos(x)

\Rightarrow y^2 = (sin(x) + cos(x))^2

\Rightarrow y^2 = sin^2(x) + 2sin(x)cos(x) + cos^2(x)

\Rightarrow y^2 = \left(sin^2(x) + cos^2(x)\right) + 2sin(x)cos(x)

\Rightarrow y^2 = 1 + 2sin(x)cos(x)

\Rightarrow y^2 - 1 = 2sin(x)cos(x)

\Rightarrow y^2 - 1 = sin(2x)

\Rightarrow 2x = \sin^{-1 }(y^2 - 1)

\Rightarrow x = \frac { \sin^{-1 } (y^2 - 1) } {2}
 
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Thanks very much for that. Anyone looking for the rules for this, I've found them on http://math2.org/math/trig/identities.htm

sin(2x) = 2 sin x cos x

sin^2(x) = 1/2 - 1/2 cos(2x)

cos^2(x) = 1/2 + 1/2 cos(2x)
 
sin^2(x) + cos^2(x) = 1 should be one of the first identities you learn.
 
You can put it into another form by noting:

\sin x + \cos x = \sqrt{2}\left[\sin x \left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\right) + \cos x \left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \right)\right] = \sqrt{2}\left[\sin x \cos \frac{\pi}{4} + \cos x \sin \frac{\pi}{4} \right] = \sqrt{2}\sin \left(x+\frac{\pi}{4}\right).

So, y is also equal to this expression and you can solve for x. Since you don't seem to be familiar with many trig identities, I used the sine "angle sum formula", \sin(a \pm b) = \sin a \cos b \pm \cos a \sin b.
 
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Suppose I was to change the equation to Y = a sin(x) + b cos(x). How would I transpose it to make x the subject? I've searched through identities on that site but can't find one that relates to having 2 different coefficients a and b.
 
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Suppose I was to change the equation to Y = a sin(x) + b cos(x). How would I transpose it to make x the subject? I've searched through identities on that site but can't find one that relates to having 2 different coefficients a and b.
Think hard about how Mute's example works...
 
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A bit more searching I've come across this:

a sin x + b cos x = R sin (x + alpha) which is an R Formulae with R = Sqrt(a^2 + b^2) and alpha = atan(b / a). If I use that I should be able to solve for x.

Having a look at Mute's post, what should I be looking for? It's been a few years since I left school so most of this is going back to that. I'd rather know how this thing works than just the answer so I'll keep looking.
 
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ZachGriffin said:
Having a look at Mute's post, what should I be looking for?
To derive the formula you just found by searching -- his calculation is the derivation of that formula, just in a special case.
 

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