What is the value of I3 for the given line integral and values of I2 and B?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the value of I3 in a line integral context, specifically using Ampere's Law. The original poster provides a specific value for the line integral and one current, I2, while seeking to determine I3.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Ampere's Law to solve for I3 but questions the correctness of their approach after calculating a value. Some participants suggest investigating the direction of the line integral and the contributions of the currents involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of current direction on the application of Ampere's Law. There is a recognition of the need to consider how the magnetic field lines interact with the loop direction, and a revised approach to calculating I3 is discussed.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the direction of currents and their contributions to the magnetic field, which may affect the calculations. The original poster's confusion about the sign of I2 in relation to the loop direction is noted.

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Homework Statement


The value of the line integral around the closed path in the figure is 1.79×10−5 Tm .
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There is I2 and I3 inside the closed loop.
I2 = 12 A
What is I3?

Homework Equations


Amphere's Law: B = Uo I(enclosed)

The Attempt at a Solution


I rewrote the equation as B = Uo * (I2 + I3)
Solving for I3...
I3 = (B / Uo) - I2
Plugging in values,
1.79*10^-5 / (4*pi*10^-7) - 12 = 2.2 A
But this is not the right answer? I don't understand what is wrong.
 
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Investigate how the direction taken around the closed path for the line integral affects the results; Check the definition of Ampere's Law.
 
Using the right hand rule to check the direction of positive I, positive I points into the page, so the 12A is negative and, so I should add 12 instead of subtracting?
 
PolarBee said:
Using the right hand rule to check the direction of positive I, positive I points into the page, so the 12A is negative and, so I should add 12 instead of subtracting?
What you want to do is check the direction of the field lines produced by any currents inside the line integral's closed path. If they have the same sense (direction) as the Ampere Loop then they make a positive contribution to the sum. If they have the opposite sense then they make a negative contribution.

You have one given current, ##I_2##, and it comes out of the page. Do its magnetic field lines have the same sense as the loop direction?
 
Okay I see, so I2's field lines are opposite of the loop direction, so they make a negative contribution to the sum.

So it should be B = Uo (-I2 + I3)
Making I3 = (B/Uo) + I2

And I3 would be 26.2 A, and since it is positive it would be going into the page, correct?
 
Looks good!
 

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