What is this mysterious mechanical device found in an Air B&B cottage?

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The discussion revolves around the identification of a mechanical device found in an Air B&B cottage. Participants speculate on its purpose, with suggestions ranging from a tensometer to a yarn twist tester, exploring its mechanical features and potential applications in textile measurement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests the device could be a tensometer.
  • Another proposes it might be used for winding under-thread onto a sewing machine bobbin with preset tension.
  • Details about the gear mechanism are discussed, noting a 20:1 ratio for the top device and a 1:20 ratio for the bottom device.
  • Speculation includes the possibility of the device being a tensile strength tester or related to the stretchability of yarn.
  • Participants mention the need for more photos and details to better understand the bottom device's function.
  • One participant identifies the device as a "Hand Yarn Twist Tester," explaining its operation in measuring the change in length of spun yarn as it is twisted.
  • Another participant acknowledges the contribution of a user who identified the device's industry, leading to further research on its function.

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There is no consensus on the exact identification of the device, with multiple competing views and interpretations of its purpose remaining throughout the discussion.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the device's exact function and rely on limited visual information, which may affect their conclusions. The discussion includes various assumptions about the device's mechanical properties and intended use.

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I found this on a dusty shelf in an Air B&B cottage. It looks 'mechanical' so do any of you Mech Engs recognise it? It looks like it could be some sort of tensometer ??
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Maybe it was used for winding under-thread, with a preset tension, onto the bobbin of a sewing machine.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
I found this on a dusty shelf in an Air B&B cottage. It looks 'mechanical' so do any of you Mech Engs recognise it? It looks like it could be some sort of tensometer ??
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Can you read anything on the scale?
 
The gear mechanism is interesting.
The top device has a screw clamp at its business end and has a ratio of 20:1-ish with the crank.
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The bottom device is more mysterious and has a ratio more like 1:20-ish with the crank,
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but I can't even tell where the business end of it might be.
 
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Maybe ask the owner?

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Need more photos/details, can't see enough of the 'bottom device' to tell what the crank ultimately turns.

The Red strip below the crank mechanism on the right has some printing on it. Using Photoshop, I can just make out the first 3 characters as 'Z&U', although the '&' is backwards from the American character; that may provide a clue to country-of-origin.

Too bad those are .JPG images. (darn digital cameras!)

Pure speculation here!
Tensile strength tester? Stretchability of a yarn?
There are graduations on the arc - the 2nd-from-left seems to be either '9' or '2'.​
The 'attachments' on the left may mount on the hub of the pointer to supply a torque (note the protrusion at 10 o'clock on the pointer hub)​

Cheers,
Tom
 
The object was high up on a shelf and I couldn't get it down to see any detail. That long vertical arm is obviously for magnification.
I have returned from the cottage and can't approach the owner (it was such a dump, aamof, that I don't really want to talk with him).

I was hoping that someone would just look at the image and say "Ahh, that's an XYZ machine". But speculation on flimsy information can be fun (one of PF's styles of choice.).
 
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The bottom device is more mysterious and has a ratio more like 1:20-ish with the crank,
But it also has a worm gear with something like a 60 to 1 reduction, possibly for a counter.
 
Baluncore said:
Maybe it was used for winding under-thread, with a preset tension, onto the bobbin of a sewing machine.
I think we have a winner with that
Too many common points
Kind of an early or cheap piece, maybe?
 
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"Hand Yarn Twist Tester", made in China ...
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/325117213756?
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/164749199309?

https://textilelearner.net/twist-measurement-of-yarn/

The OP instrument does not test tension, it measures the small change in length of a spun yarn as it is twisted. Procedure: The spindle counter dials are set to zero. The yarn to be tested is clamped at the spindle and at the length gauge, with a weight beyond the length gauge, to apply a constant tension. The spindle is then turned to remove the twist, which lengthens the yarn, but turning is continued until the length gauge shows the yarn length has reduced again to the same reading as initially set, (but with the twist now reversed). Half that spindle turns counter reading is the number of twists per length tested. No magnifying glass is needed to examine the yarn to determine the average point of zero twist at different positions along the sample.
 
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Baluncore said:
"Hand Yarn Twist Tester", made in China ...
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/325117213756?
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/164749199309?

https://textilelearner.net/twist-measurement-of-yarn/

The OP instrument does not test tension, it measures the small change in length of a spun yarn as it is twisted. Procedure: The spindle counter dials are set to zero. The yarn to be tested is clamped at the spindle and at the length gauge, with a weight beyond the length gauge, to apply a constant tension. The spindle is then turned to remove the twist, which lengthens the yarn, but turning is continued until the length gauge shows the yarn length has reduced again to the same reading as initially set, (but with the twist now reversed). Half that spindle turns counter reading is the number of twists per length tested. No magnifying glass is needed to examine the yarn to determine the average point of zero twist at different positions along the sample.
Well dang mah hide! Like I said, there's always someone who knows the answer to any question I choose. Thanks a lot @Baluncore .
 
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The prize should go to @Rive who found the "M. Defraine, old thread and yarn precision instrument, pull meter, yarn tensioner"; that was wrongly described as a tensioner by the seller.

That gave me a lead to search the web for the current technology, then google images to find the operating procedure for the indicator type instrument as shown in the OP.
 
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Baluncore said:
The prize should go to @Rive
Not really. On my own, I've been searching for antiques related to torsion wires :doh:

Without you identifying the industry first (right at the start!), it was completely hopeless for that 'M.Defraine' to pop up.
 
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You guys are like when you're walking with your dog in the park and it spots a squirrel. (Correction "We guys") :smile:
 
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Think yourself lucky, that you are not the squirrel.
 
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